T'Challa: Black Panther Appreciation 2018

[Ezyo1000]

Mac provided transportation, and was arguably the most experienced person at what they were doing. She was also the second most physically most powerful. I'd say she was as important as anyone else on the team. I think Ewing did shop no making everyone matter.

Transportation? Tchalla had that take care of. Experience? She was just as background and inconsequential as everyone else. She literally sat around. Made grumpy faces, and hit Carol WWE style with a table and chair. If she was replaced by someone else. The series would of stayed the same

[XPac]

Transportation? Tchalla had that take care of. Experience? She was just as background and inconsequential as everyone else. She literally sat around. Made grumpy faces, and hit Carol WWE style with a table and chair. If she was replaced by someone else. The series would of stayed the same

On several occasions Macs ability to teleport was important. And yes, shear timed had knowledge the others didn't due to greater experience.

Could she have been replaced by someone ekse? Sure. Though the same can be said for pretty much anyone on the team.

Again, she contributed, same as anyone else. Ewing juggled the team dynamic well enough.

[Ezyo1000]

On several occasions Macs ability to teleport was important. And yes, shear timed had knowledge the others didn't due to greater experience.

Could she have been replaced by someone ekse? Sure. Though the same can be said for pretty much anyone on the team.

Again, she contributed, same as anyone else. Ewing juggled the team dynamic well enough.

sorry man, she was pretty inconsequential to the team. Especially since Tchalla has teleporting tech. And her "Experience" meant squat because it wasn't showcased

[XPac]

sorry man, she was pretty inconsequential to the team. Especially since Tchalla has teleporting tech. And her "Experience" meant squat because it wasn't showcased

Mac isn't just a teleporter, she can jump into different realities. Given what the Ultimates do for a living, that was actually a pretty key ability.

And again, there were occasions she did have knowledge the others didn't. Not all the time certainly, but again she made her contributions just like everyone. And she did her share of the fighting just like everyone.

Heck, you can argue the team wouldn't even exist in the second season if not for her. So she ended up bring important.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

[Cville]

Transportation? Tchalla had that take care of. Experience? She was just as background and inconsequential as everyone else. She literally sat around. Made grumpy faces, and hit Carol WWE style with a table and chair. If she was replaced by someone else. The series would of stayed the same

Did he introduce another teleportation system other than what he used for Galactus? Mac is a more useful Uber. She can do the entire group and equipment with a thought.

In Doomwar teleporting organic material was too dangerous, but the Ultimates showed that the tech is progressing. The right writer could eventually evolve it to Boom Tubes.

[Cville]

I wouldnt put tony or cap on a space team either.

Doing cosmic occasionally is fine (like mcduffies f4) but i wouldn't want bp, cap, im, or many other earth heroes on a cosmic team personally

When I think Tchalla in space I see it as either Battlestar Galactica commanding a Emperial cruiser or a small group in his personal exploration ship. Mister Terrific has one, Tchalla needs to catch up. Lol

[Mr MajestiK]

Black Panther: The Fantastic Ultimate Avenger. Back of the bus member of all. Leader of none.

Milquetoast all the way but celebrated by some as long long as he's featured on panel in a B-Boy stance. (Non-cosmic)

[MindofShadow]

Transportation? Tchalla had that take care of. Experience? She was just as background and inconsequential as everyone else. She literally sat around. Made grumpy faces, and hit Carol WWE style with a table and chair. If she was replaced by someone else. The series would of stayed the same

Transportation is easily solved by the resident sorcerer... strange, voodoo, ect

[MindofShadow]

what happened to "yibambe" ?

I go away for a few days and y'all up and change the title. I'm not complaining because Infinity War didn't really leave me with a great taste in my mouth, but still surprised we changed it so fast

People bitched and then more people bitched so I asked Frontier to change it to something generic and moved on.

I wouldn't really qualify T'challa as cosmic either ... but I think if you look at the Ultimates as a group which fills the FF role, he kind of fits.

I think T'challa works well as a part timer, but realistically if the idea is to have a team designed to deal with threats pro-actively before they start, they probably should have a crew consisting of people willing to do this full time. And that likely excludes guys like T'Challa or Iron Man. Not that I wouldn't want T'challa on the team ... just saying realistically there are people who I think would be better fits because they don't have day jobs dividing their time.

You can be a part time Avenger because they only need to assemble when there's a big enough problem. But if the Ultimates are actively seeking out threats rather than just waiting for them to show up, that's a full time job.

Whoever makes another Ultimates style team has to be very clear what their mission statement is.

Ewing's Ultimates were part F4 exploration-ish, part Illuminati-ish, part GoG-ish, and part Avenger-ish. No real, consistent defined goal.

I think, based on the hype and Rocafort, that it was supposed to be one of the "pillar" books but sales were so lackluster from the word go that it never had a chance to be important.

The book "fixed" the cosmic hierarchy and dealt directly with the aftermath of the incursions and such. But it just came across as a, "**** wrap it up!" because of sales. And, because of sales, it had to keep tying into events or the book would have died. Further making the book feel spastic as hell.

[Ezyo1000]

Black Panther: The Fantastic Ultimate Avenger. Back of the bus member of all. Leader of none.

Milquetoast all the way but celebrated by some as long long as he's featured on panel in a B-Boy stance. (Non-cosmic)

I personally don't care if he leads the Avengers. I would rather him be the "randomly disappears as he knows who the real bend game threat is" type he was in EMH. But he should lead the Ultimates and it should be high octane action. Like Hickmans Avengers world. If he ain't leading then he needs to be in a very clear cut role that makes him thebnost dangerous guy on the team

[MindofShadow]

[B]I personally don't care if he leads the Avengers. I would rather him be the "randomly disappears as he knows who the real bend game threat is" type he was in EMH. /B]

Ultimates is basically rebranded Defenders since Defenders got moved to street level.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

[Klaue's Mixtape]

[XPac]

People bitched and then more people bitched so I asked Frontier to change it to something generic and moved on.




Whoever makes another Ultimates style team has to be very clear what their mission statement is.

Ewing's Ultimates were part F4 exploration-ish, part Illuminati-ish, part GoG-ish, and part Avenger-ish. No real, consistent defined goal.

I think, based on the hype and Rocafort, that it was supposed to be one of the "pillar" books but sales were so lackluster from the word go that it never had a chance to be important.

The book "fixed" the cosmic hierarchy and dealt directly with the aftermath of the incursions and such. But it just came across as a, "**** wrap it up!" because of sales. And, because of sales, it had to keep tying into events or the book would have died. Further making the book feel spastic as hell.

Course, you can make the argument that Ultimates was almost as important as the main Avengers book, because frankly none of the Avenged books seemed important at the time. Following Bendis and Hickmsn, this era of Avengers almost seemed like filler until the band was ready to get back together for Aarons book.

The book filled a void, and did some logistical house cleaning in regards to the new multiverse ... but it obviously wasn't a huge hit, and given its cast and cosmic premise (cosmic books being a niche most of the time unless the word infinity is used), I'm not sure why they expect it to be.

Still would argue it was a well written book though. Ewing is kinda underrated at marvel. Hope he gets a book which can really break out one day.

Still,