T'Challa: Black Panther Appreciation 2018

[DragonsChi]

They said that in the first movie. Saying that brings in some of that 700 mil dollar domestic money.

So, they can put up or shut up this time. Because last time, I saw a wakanda that was barely realized and unimpressive respectively in that war effort. A Tchalla that got little feats and his coolest modern feat of beating Black Dwarf...a scene that I had been dreaming of seeing in motion picture when Hickman wrote it...including every line of Tchalla's "I am the warrior you are looking for...I an The Black Panther...I am the Kind of the Dead...and soon to be your new lord." quote followed by an spectacular acrobatic takedown of the giant!

But what did we get. a 2 second punch to the head that was quickly panned away from. followed by an ever so pointless, completely goofy, and clownish victory given to Bruce Banner (and the actor that plays him who no one cares about) nocive-ly in a Suit that Stark made for a weaker foe than Dwarf.

So bump what they saw.

....Dang I wish very hard I could refute this in some way.

[MindofShadow]

....Dang I wish very hard I could refute this in some way.

if you really wanted to...

Well... Wakanda was featured heavily ish. The physical place, T'challa, Shuri, their tech was on full display with the shield, okoye, mbaku, the redshirts.

T'challa himself got piddly screentime in a massive ensemble movie though.

But, it isn't like he is the only one. I love MCU cap and he didn't really get to do a GD thing in what might be his second to last movie.


My biggest issue screen time wise was banner though. He should have been reduced to being Shuri's lab assistant. Putting him in the hulkbuster was stupid and a waste of CGI money IMO. Maybe it pays off in Av4

[DigiCom]

if you really wanted to...

Well... Wakanda was featured heavily ish. The physical place, T'challa, Shuri, their tech was on full display with the shield, okoye, mbaku, the redshirts.

T'challa himself got piddly screentime in a massive ensemble movie though.

Theoretically, there's actually a decent justification for why Black Panther didn't have a bigger role in AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR.

T'Challa, in the MCU, isn't an Avenger. He's been one in the comics, of course, and he may very well be associated with the team in the future, but right now, he isn't a member of the team. So giving him a spotlight wouldn't make sense.

That being said, the reasoning falls apart a bit when you see how big a role non-Avengers like Rocket & Strange play, compared to folks like Falcon, Scarlet Witch, and Mr. Avenger-not-appearing-in-this-film. But I suppose the filmmakers couldn't reshoot the entire third act that quickly. :shrug:

[Dboi654]

Wakanda Is Crucial in Avengers 4, According to the Russo Brothers

https://www.themarysue.com/wakanda-a...usso-brothers/

Enough with the lip service already.

[Blind Wedjat]

They said that in the first movie. Saying that brings in some of that 700 mil dollar domestic money.

So, they can put up or shut up this time. Because last time, I saw a wakanda that was barely realized and unimpressive respectively in that war effort. A Tchalla that got little feats and his coolest modern feat of beating Black Dwarf...a scene that I had been dreaming of seeing in motion picture when Hickman wrote it...including every line of Tchalla's "I am the warrior you are looking for...I an The Black Panther...I am the Kind of the Dead...and soon to be your new lord." quote followed by an spectacular acrobatic takedown of the giant!

But what did we get. a 2 second punch to the head that was quickly panned away from. followed by an ever so pointless, completely goofy, and clownish victory given to Bruce Banner (and the actor that plays him who no one cares about) nocive-ly in a Suit that Stark made for a weaker foe than Dwarf.

So bump what they saw.

I half agree with this.

On one hand I do think we should have spent more time in Wakanda, and their war efforts could have been a little more interesting. I don't think it was necessarily bad, but as a fan I would have liked more. The comics have shown what Wakanda is capable of on that front so they need not look very far for inspiration. That being said, they did okay. Just okay.

On the other hand, both IW and Avengers 4 went into production before and at the same time as BP, so neither had any idea what they would be truly dealing with. So I wouldn't exactly say it's their fault or it's fair to hold it against them.

That being said, this does in someway continue to show that the Russos are not perfect and unlike what many of their fans love to proclaim, they don't always do each MCU justice vs whoever directed their solo movie. This really only applies to Doctor Strange and Gamora who were both the best in IW than in their respective films. Thor is another one people mention but I argue Waititi is responsible for that.

Regarding BP, when I watched the solo movie I felt Coogler had a better understanding and smarter vision for who T'Challa is what he should be like. Civil War T'Challa may have been 'badass' and it is certainly fun watching him go through Bucky and hang with Cap, but he was blinded by rage and vengeance, which doesn't really sound like T'Challa. I always felt T'Challa in that film should have done more into the investigation of his father's assassination and not just accepting what was reported. Why didn't he also discover Zemo's plot using his available tech and security resources? In Civil War, he doesn't use his head enough. It's understandable, but it's not really accurate.

In the BP movie however, T'Challa uses his head a lot more than his heart. Instead of attacking Klaw at the casino immediately after he sees him, he waits and listens in before making a move (and before Okoye messes things up). It's only in BP that T'Challa's intelligence is brought up, with the creation of his first suit (which is still advanced) and showing that he understands how Vibranium works to destabilize Killmonger's suit. He's also given some spy abilities like how he acts in the casino and when he places the microphone on Ross without him knowing. He's at least shown to be more than a super soldier in a special suit, which is what he gets reduced to in both Civil War and IW.

I also preferred his fighting style in BP than in both Russo bros films. Aside from that triple kick during the airport battle, they portrayed T'Challa's fighting style as quite grounded (literally). The opening fight for BP however shows him doing triple flips, aerial spinning kicks, backflips, and those cool capeoira moves that make sense for him. That fight actually reminded me a lot of that recent Spider-Man comic T'Challa appeared in when Spidey remarks on how he moves extremely fast, like his reflexes work faster than his. All of T'Challa moves look extremely fluid, transition into one anothee effortlessly and look well thought out, like he knew what he was going to do before he didn't. And the strength feats were the and undeniable. Sending goons flying with punches, easily picking up a safe full of money, letting us see that whole shot of him wrestling down that rhino.

Not to say the Russos' are terrible because I am a big fan. But I can see the flaws and certainly not afraid to point them out anyway. They're big Cap fanboys at the end of the day. That much is apparent.

[XPac]

Theoretically, there's actually a decent justification for why Black Panther didn't have a bigger role in AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR.

T'Challa, in the MCU, isn't an Avenger. He's been one in the comics, of course, and he may very well be associated with the team in the future, but right now, he isn't a member of the team. So giving him a spotlight wouldn't make sense.

That being said, the reasoning falls apart a bit when you see how big a role non-Avengers like Rocket & Strange play, compared to folks like Falcon, Scarlet Witch, and Mr. Avenger-not-appearing-in-this-film. But I suppose the filmmakers couldn't reshoot the entire third act that quickly. :shrug:

When you have a movie with nearly two dozen super heroes though, a lot of people aren't going to get a whole lot of screen time. Even Captain America didn't get THAT much.

Avengers Infinity War was in a lot of ways a Thanos story, and I think they gave more time to the characters who were going to interact with Thanos himself more.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

[Ezyo1000]

if you really wanted to...

Well... Wakanda was featured heavily ish. The physical place, T'challa, Shuri, their tech was on full display with the shield, okoye, mbaku, the redshirts.

T'challa himself got piddly screentime in a massive ensemble movie though.

But, it isn't like he is the only one. I love MCU cap and he didn't really get to do a GD thing in what might be his second to last movie.


My biggest issue screen time wise was banner though. He should have been reduced to being Shuri's lab assistant. Putting him in the hulkbuster was stupid and a waste of CGI money IMO. Maybe it pays off in Av4

I thought it was stupid how they literally gave Tchalla the equivalence of Hickmans run against Black dwarf, and then let banner kill him in such a stupid. Weak ass way. I would of rather seen Tchalla get the kill or at least have him and Cap double team BD for an awesome take down.

Also Wakanda would of carpet bombed the **** out tje strider's while they sat outside the barrier trying to get in. And it would of been nice to see move military might.. but at the same time Russos didn't know BP was gonna roflstomp the box office and all other superhero movies like it did either.

[butterflykyss]

This was a badass preview.
https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-3-4/

it is badass the goddess has returned.

all hail the hadari yao!

[Cville]

This was Doomwar before Doomwar. It's one of the reasons I don't want Doom near WK or BP. Writers will just help promote god Doom. Lol.

[butterflykyss]

Nice best BP run since Priest so.far

I'm loving the coates love!!!! I'm ready for ororo to reconnect with tchalla.. I'm here for this.

[Dboi654]

This was Doomwar before Doomwar. It's one of the reasons I don't want Doom near WK or BP. Writes will just help promote god Doom. Lol.

With BP's rise to international fame, I can see that changing as their are more BP fans than before but to be honest despite this rise to stardom, I won't be that optimistic.

[MindofShadow]

I thought it was stupid how they literally gave Tchalla the equivalence of Hickmans run against Black dwarf, and then let banner kill him in such a stupid. Weak ass way. I would of rather seen Tchalla get the kill or at least have him and Cap double team BD for an awesome take down.

Also Wakanda would of carpet bombed the **** out tje strider's while they sat outside the barrier trying to get in. And it would of been nice to see move military might.. but at the same time Russos didn't know BP was gonna roflstomp the box office and all other superhero movies like it did either.

I've mentioned this before but it simply doesn't make sense for Wakanda to have really any true air force or to have any bombers.

Air Forces and bombs are used on offense. To invade, conquer, war, ect.

Wakanda doesn't do that. They don't participate in wars. They don't conquer. They don't invade. They don't interact.

Their military would be 100% suited for defense. You don't bomb your own country.

They don't even need an air force for defense/dog fights because they have a giant ass basically impenetrable shield. Such a shield that they can even open certain parts of it only.

[Cville]

I've mentioned this before but it simply doesn't make sense for Wakanda to have really any true air force or to have any bombers.

Air Forces and bombs are used on offense. To invade, conquer, war, ect.

Wakanda doesn't do that. They don't participate in wars. They don't conquer. They don't invade. They don't interact.

Their military would be 100% suited for defense. You don't bomb your own country.

They don't even need an air force for defense/dog fights because they have a giant ass basically impenetrable shield. Such a shield that they can even open certain parts of it only.

That is what I was thinking. They focus on defense. There probably are scenes with the fight ers attacking, they were most likely cut for time. I remember seeing one.

[MindofShadow]

That is what I was thinking. They focus on defense. There probably are scenes with the fight ers attacking, they were most likely cut for time. I remember seeing one.

When thor blew up the big containers there are fighters in the background. and some came crashing down during the snap


My headcanon of Wakanda's military has always been, "our tech is so much better than you, that you are going to have to invade with infantry. and when you do, we are better than you and we will kill you by hand"


The real reason we never see any advance war tech during invasions is that good guys running at bad guys while screaming is immensely more entertaining than true war and battle tactics lol