Dragonball M: A DBZ RPG Sign-Up and Discussion Thread II

[Monstrous Bird of Qin, Ou Ki]

It's a once honorable past-time that sadly only sees play on Callion. They've also added Ohknee Hunting as a new planetary past-time.

Question. Would the Saiyan Empire pitch a fit if the Queen Consort nuked Callion ?

Can Tasure help?

Because she basically considers Callion saiyans to be sub-people.

[grampagen]

Question. Would the Saiyan Empire pitch a fit if the Queen Consort nuked Callion ?

As a foreigner, the Queen Consort needs to endear herself to the people and show her heart has adopted the Saiyan way.

"I challenge you, Callion, one against all. What say you?"

Fighting ever able-bodied Saiyan on the Colony one-on-one for a week will be both a strong political power move and, for Sarada, as horrifying as it is arousing.

[Yun Lao]

We all know Parsley would kill Totoma. Not to eat him, just because with Sarada as Queen, someone needs to keep the noble sport of halfbreed hunting alive for future generations.

Now I can only imagine Parsley and a few Saiyans on some space horses, chasing Totoma with croquet mallets.

[Sub-Zero MKA]

Question. Would the Saiyan Empire pitch a fit if the Queen Consort nuked Callion ?

Can Tasure help?

Because she basically considers Callion saiyans to be sub-people.

Those weaklings? Whose strongest warrior only have a PL of 3K?

Nah, they'd laugh and jeer while it happened. Of course, she'd need to...

As a foreigner, the Queen Consort needs to endear herself to the people and show her heart has adopted the Saiyan way.

"I challenge you, Callion, one against all. What say you?"

Fighting ever able-bodied Saiyan on the Colony one-on-one for a week will be both a strong political power move and, for Sarada, as horrifying as it is arousing.

...do this if she really wanted to be accepted. The more she fights at the same time, the more solid her standing with the other Saiyans would be.

Basically, Callion is a laughingstock. Broke, poor, stupid, backwards, pretty much every stereotype people can think of for Saiyans.

[Sub-Zero MKA]

Now I can only imagine Parsley and a few Saiyans on some space horses, chasing Totoma with croquet mallets.

...damn it.

*goes to edit Parsley's profile*

[Monstrous Bird of Qin, Ou Ki]

Actually, huh, GrampaGen... that idea is pretty damn solid.

You should have Ishtar do that. And if a few die... welp, no big loss.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Can Tasure help?

Because she basically considers Callion saiyans to be sub-people.

They're animals.

As a foreigner, the Queen Consort needs to endear herself to the people and show her heart has adopted the Saiyan way.

"I challenge you, Callion, one against all. What say you?"

Fighting ever able-bodied Saiyan on the Colony one-on-one for a week will be both a strong political power move and, for Sarada, as horrifying as it is arousing.

As the second strongest in the nation naturally (without transformations), she's well on the way ... but I was definitely considering a fight against Callion..

Especially after their direct challenge (dressing the mother of the halfbreed children like her before execution).

[grampagen]

Those weaklings? Whose strongest warrior only have a PL of 3K?

Nah, they'd laugh and jeer while it happened. Of course, she'd need to...



...do this if she really wanted to be accepted. The more she fights at the same time, the more solid her standing with the other Saiyans would be.

Basically, Callion is a laughingstock. Broke, poor, stupid, backwards, pretty much every stereotype people can think of for Saiyans.

Are there particular reasons why they're specifically so broke and stupid?

Like, not exactly fishing for analogies here, but what's the reason in-universe they're considered lesser Saiyans in spite of embodying the same savage qualities the culture at large lauds?

Actually, huh, GrampaGen... that idea is pretty damn solid.

You should have Ishtar do that. And if a few die... welp, no big loss.

Well it did seem logical enough.

Just wait until Sarada approaches Ochazuke to be minister of foreign affairs. The Crane School has made him something of a Machiavel, but he limits that side of himself to perpetual skepticism.

Hmm...*takes notes for later*

[Monstrous Bird of Qin, Ou Ki]

My guess would be that it's cultural inertia and the lack of a (local) reformer like Mato rising to power... or at least one with the strength to enforce his reforms, anyway. It could also be that Callion, being more savage, had rules of succession that resulted in even powerful reformers getting their asses killed by groups of weaklings, whereas Vacado at least had formalized "one on one" succession.

...or something.

Or perhaps in the past there was a halfbreed uprising on Callion, so they went full retard in an attempt to prevent another one. I mean, given how things were... seems likely that halfies would band together at some point and try to change things. By force.

That's what Totoma was planning to do before Jagam crippled him.

[Sub-Zero MKA]

Are there particular reasons why they're specifically so broke and stupid?

Like, not exactly fishing for analogies here, but what's the reason in-universe they're considered lesser Saiyans in spite of embodying the same savage qualities the culture at large lauds?

Stupid because they refuse to take to the New Way of Thinking™ despite all the overwhelming evidence that it works. Also, their kids have the lowest test scores and the worst education system of all the planets.

Broke because all their money went into and came from war and conquest. Once Mato did away with that, thus cutting off Vocado's monetary support of their campaigns, they had no way to recover. So far, Sarada's hasn't considered giving them any aid, instead trying to make them sweat until they crack and start seeing reason.

[Sub-Zero MKA]

My guess would be that it's cultural inertia and the lack of a (local) reformer like Mato rising to power... or at least one with the strength to enforce his reforms, anyway. It could also be that Callion, being more savage, had rules of succession that resulted in even powerful reformers getting their asses killed by groups of weaklings, whereas Vacado at least had formalized "one on one" succession.

...or something.

Or perhaps in the past there was a halfbreed uprising on Callion, so they went full retard in an attempt to prevent another one. I mean, given how things were... seems likely that halfies would band together at some point and try to change things. By force.

That's what Totoma was planning to do before Jagam crippled him.

This too. Anyone who went against Pinrit -- the former ruler until the Empire came along -- was executed by him personally after "hearing" what they had to say, or was shit-stomped by a mob of people after he/she/they tried to drum up support.

[grampagen]

Stupid because they refuse to take to the New Way of Thinking™ despite all the overwhelming evidence that it works. Also, their kids have the lowest test scores and the worst education system of all the planets.

Broke because all their money went into and came from war and conquest. Once Mato did away with that, thus cutting off Vocado's monetary support of their campaigns, they had no way to recover. So far, Sarada's hasn't considered giving them any aid, instead trying to make them sweat until they crack and start seeing reason.

TIL Mato did not standardize education reform and was beaten out of his position by someone who just only finished it. Of course, Sarada had to leave Vocado to actually learn anything and progress as a person, so it can't have been an easy situation in the first place.

...stop me before I go too far, but how does the Saiyan economy work? War racketeering and mercenary jobs?

(This is probably just me nitpicking here, feel free to leave the Saiyan Economy a mystery)

This too. Anyone who went against Pinrit -- the former ruler until the Empire came along -- was executed by him personally after "hearing" what they had to say, or was shit-stomped by a mob of people after he/she/they tried to drum up support.

Oh them Brownshirts.

Very soon to be Redshirts. Yuk-yuk.

[Sub-Zero MKA]

TIL Mato did not standardize education reform and was beaten out of his position by someone who just only finished it. Of course, Sarada had to leave Vocado to actually learn anything and progress as a person, so it can't have been an easy situation in the first place.

The colonies were all autonomous, so Mato only had control over Vocado. Callion being in the position it's in is on Pinrit putting all his eggs into one basket.

Before Mato came along, Vocado gave monetary and military support to Callion for their conquests. Once Mato put a stop to Vocado's warmongering, the money and soldiers stopped going to Callion and they started losing money. Then, when the Empire was formed, the support stopped completely, leaving them in financial distress since they have no other skills to compensate for the massive loss of income that comes from selling planets.

...stop me before I go too far, but how does the Saiyan economy work? War racketeering and mercenary jobs?

(This is probably just me nitpicking here, feel free to leave the Saiyan Economy a mystery)

That's a good question.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

That's a good question.

They export a lot of meat.

Those poor Snek.

[Monstrous Bird of Qin, Ou Ki]

Basically, Pre-mato, Vocado and Callion were a mini-planet trade organization, but the former had more economic diversity and was more... culturally flexible (though still oppressive) while the latter... not so much.

And Vocado probably had considerably more peaceful interaction with outside worlds, even pre-mato.