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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post

    The three time keepers.....is this a reference to the Living Tribunal?
    No, the three Time Keepers are actual Marvel Comics characters that have been around at least since the 70's; they approached Immortus and imparted to him advanced time-travel knowledge that he didn't have; later on I believe they were tied to the TVA, which is first mentioned in Simonson's Thor. spoilers:
    The late 70's Thor comic where Thor travels to Limbo to get his hammer back from Immortus has a scene where Immortus casually tosses Mjolnir up in the air, much to Thor's surprise, telling him that there are no enchantments in Limbo other than his own - the Infinity Stones being powerless in the TVA offices reminded me of that straight away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataphract View Post
    Casting made for Titania in She-Hulk
    https://www.cbr.com/marvel-she-hulk-...lsGM9BEmOOZeAk
    Yesss, couldn't imagine this show without her. I wonder what they're gonna do about Absorbing Man, if they do anything at all. It would be so weird to have Mary without Carl, but then again, that would require them to officially dismiss AOS from MCU canon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Does the show settle the "is Steve in the 'real' past or a branching timeline" debate? The TVA prunes branches and are crazy extreme about enforcing the sacred timeline, and will straight up zap a dude for picking up a box he didn't know he wasn't supposed to take. The judge says the Avengers were meant to go on a time heist so the sacred timeline has room for time travel, it's incorporated into "the plan," but the catch is that you can't create a branch doing it. Cap didn't get erased by TVA agents, so what he did must have been part of the sacred timeline.
    I don't think it settles anything, honestly. If anything, I've seen more question and debates pop up as a result. Fans don't have a consensus on what The Sacred Timeline actually means. Some people took it literally, as it being a single timeline where no branches are allowed to exist at all, but some people interpreted it as a cluster of timelines that flow together in union and are allowed to co-exist as long as the Time Keepers allow it. I like the second interpretation better, because I don't think that saying that the current MCU is the only universe that exists ever is a good idea. So we're just gonna act like Marvel comics, cartoons, etc, don't exist? It's weird. Not too mention that it kind of contradicts what we've seen in movies before. Doctor Strange saw millions of futures in Infinity War. How could that be possible if there are no other universes? Endgame made it clear that any changes made in the past create branches in the timeline, and even the Russos straight up said that Steve created a branched timeline when he went back in time to be with Peggy. If no branches are allowed at all, Steve should've been held accountable. Gamora too for escaping her timeline. But we know they're not gonna do that to those characters, so... how do you explain that without undermining the time travel concept introduced in Endgame? I think it's less messier if you say that the Time Keepers allow some branches, but not others.

    And oh, this episode had a very explicit ''Earth-616'' easter-egg (it was the name of the film strip of Loki's life that he was watching). If there is no multiverse currently in the MCU, why would they classify the Earth by a number like the comics do to distinguish different universes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravin' Ray View Post
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    So, when it comes to Thor: The Dark World, it's not a bad MCU movie but it does feel a little off. Alan Taylor is a decent director and has directed among other things Mad Men and some Game of Thrones episodes. So, what happened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTTT View Post
    So, when it comes to Thor: The Dark World, it's not a bad MCU movie but it does feel a little off. Alan Taylor is a decent director and has directed among other things Mad Men and some Game of Thrones episodes. So, what happened?
    According to TVTROPES there was a lot of executive meddling behind the scenes. Different people came and left the project. Most of the people who worked on it later regretted it.

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...orTheDarkWorld

    I guess they didn't know what to do with the fantasy aspects with Thor or even Thor himself.

    Most people who just watch the movies tend to prefer Thor after Ragnarok. Even Hemsworth was contemplating quitting till Ragnarok renewed his interest in Thor.
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    I don't think DW is a bad movie, just underwhelming

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    Don't mean to start an argument war or anything, but what's the deal with people getting filtered by the Loki pilot episode? Obviously, I know not everyone reads comics but the Infinity Stones/Gems being restrained by their home universe and not being that important to cosmic Marvel has been a thing for literal decades. Also, I saw some folks saying predeterminism lessens the MCU as a whole? Duh? What did you think would happen when Marvel Studios announced they're explored the multiverse? The MCU isn't at all special and I can't wait tell they find out that "god" is just the author.

    End rant lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlatinumThorns View Post
    I can't wait tell they find out that "god" is just the author.
    That's a dc thing by the way(the writer),not a marvel thing.
    Even if it was marvel thing they will not do for live action,same thing for dc.
    For dc that was only pre flashpoint anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mace11 View Post
    That's a dc thing by the way(the writer),not a marvel thing.
    Even if it was marvel thing they will not do for live action,same thing for dc.
    For dc that was only pre flashpoint anyway.
    Other way around. “God” in the Marvel Universe is Jack Kirby per that one FF arc where they go to Heaven to bring back Ben. “God” in the DCU is the Abrahamic God and he’s the top God of the DCU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vordan View Post
    Other way around. “God” in the Marvel Universe is Jack Kirby per that one FF arc where they go to Heaven to bring back Ben.
    In Deadpool: Secret Agent Deadpool #6, the One-Above-All bears a striking resemblance to Jack Kirby.
    That's only in one book.

    I posted some info on this before and to make it clear what was going on.

    Both Jack Kirby and Stan Lee have often been considered as avatars of this character, and their initials appear in the House of Ideas.
    Well the one above all in comics real form is not human looking at all like the beyonder.The one above all could look like anyone,jack or stan or anyone else.
    It is not really jack or stan in image i wll post below.It's the one above all.Of course one above all could look like a real human when he transforms but he so far does did not look like jack or stan at all below.
    Here is another image below for the one above all.

    One-Above-All (Multiverse)

    The one and above all does not look human for example and does not look like jack or stan.




    “God” in the DCU is the Abrahamic God and he’s the top God of the DCU.

    Not pre-flash point.
    The most powerful god of dc was the writer.
    Grant Morrison is the author, and is thus technically omnipotent and omniscient in the comic book universe. While being written by other authors, he has displayed an awareness of his own fictional nature, access to the physical script for the issue allowing a limited prescience, and a reality manipulation ability that allows him to cause anything to happen once he has written it into the script.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drops Of Venus View Post
    I don't think it settles anything, honestly. If anything, I've seen more question and debates pop up as a result.
    I don't think the episode gave us a definitive answer, so I'm not surprised the debate has reignited. But I do think this gives us more information and helps narrow things down. At the very least we have a better idea of how the MCU is structured and what kinds of things are possible/allowed.

    Fans don't have a consensus on what The Sacred Timeline actually means. Some people took it literally, as it being a single timeline where no branches are allowed to exist at all, but some people interpreted it as a cluster of timelines that flow together in union and are allowed to co-exist as long as the Time Keepers allow it.
    I don't think the show told us enough to definitively say whether the sacred timeline is a singular history or a collective that coexist. I could see it being either. We have a lot of talk about a multiverse coming up with Strange 2, America Chavez, What If? and so on. But we don't yet know what shape those things will actually take.

    Doctor Strange saw millions of futures in Infinity War. How could that be possible if there are no other universes?
    I figure Strange was looking at possible futures, not branches that had already happened. Like, he could look into the future and see you at a fork in the road and watch you go down both paths....but only one is part of the sacred timeline, the other is a deviation. In fact, if Strange saw only one victory out of many, then that one victory was likely the sacred timeline while everything else were branches that might have been created.

    Endgame made it clear that any changes made in the past create branches in the timeline, and even the Russos straight up said that Steve created a branched timeline when he went back in time to be with Peggy. If no branches are allowed at all, Steve should've been held accountable. Gamora too for escaping her timeline. But we know they're not gonna do that to those characters, so... how do you explain that without undermining the time travel concept introduced in Endgame? I think it's less messier if you say that the Time Keepers allow some branches, but not others.
    Well the Russos say it's a branch but the script writers say it's the same timeline, so....I guess it doesn't really matter what what either had in mind; until the films state on screen which is true it's Schrodinger's cat.

    But Loki's first episode gives an out for Steve and Gamora; if the time heist was meant to happen then Steve and Gamora could also be meant to be displaced in history. It seems like it just comes down to whether something is part of "the plan" or not.

    And oh, this episode had a very explicit ''Earth-616'' easter-egg (it was the name of the film strip of Loki's life that he was watching). If there is no multiverse currently in the MCU, why would they classify the Earth by a number like the comics do to distinguish different universes?
    Ah, I missed that. That's either a solid hint that the sacred timeline has several coexisting branches, or a fun easter egg we shouldn't take too seriously. After the Ralph incident in Wandavision I'm not assuming anything.
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