Marvel Cinematic Universe Part II

**CosmiComic** · 06-07-2021, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Ascended

I don't think the Hex was open when we see white Vision leave. Could be wrong but I think Wanda opens the Hex for a second while everyone is fighting, realizes it'll kill her family, and lets it close. I believe the Visions were still inside when it was shut, but I might be remembering that wrong. But I doubt the Hex being closed would have stopped white Vision anyway. Monica was able to re-enter the Hex on her own, and if she could do it I'm sure a vibranium super android with phasing powers could manage it.

Yeah, physical barriers aren't barriers to Vision. Unless the Hex energy also distorts him

**CTTT** · 06-08-2021, 07:02 AM

When it comes to Hawkeye, why did Clint get the shaft on character development? All we know at the end of 23 movies is that there's a hint of a past with Natasha, he shoots arrows and has a family. I'm sure we'll get more in the Hawkeye series, but now it's like just when Clint gets even more interesting, hello Kate Bishop.

**the illustrious mr. kenway** · 06-08-2021, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by CTTT

When it comes to Hawkeye, why did Clint get the shaft on character development? All we know at the end of 23 movies is that there's a hint of a past with Natasha, he shoots arrows and has a family. I'm sure we'll get more in the Hawkeye series, but now it's like just when Clint gets even more interesting, hello Kate Bishop.

I guess he was a character they didn't know what to do with. His intro cameo in Thor doesn't really help set him up. Whedon had a lot of cut ideas for him in the first Avenger film. The TVTROPES page says that Whedon wanted to use Clint's comic origin.

So I guess he was a character they didn't have time for till now.

**CosmiComic** · 06-08-2021, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by the illustrious mr. kenway

I guess he was a character they didn't know what to do with. His intro cameo in Thor doesn't really help set him up. Whedon had a lot of cut ideas for him in the first Avenger film. The TVTROPES page says that Whedon wanted to use Clint's comic origin.

So I guess he was a character they didn't have time for till now.

Basically they just dropped the ball on him. He's the least interesting MCU hero unfortunately. It's probably too late to make him interesting enough, which is probably why they're bringing in Kate Bishop

**CTTT** · 06-08-2021, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mik

Basically they just dropped the ball on him. He's the least interesting MCU hero unfortunately. It's probably too late to make him interesting enough, which is probably why they're bringing in Kate Bishop

It's never too late to make a character interesting

**CosmiComic** · 06-08-2021, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by CTTT

It's never too late to make a character interesting

I guess so. Personally, while I feel he's a big missed opportunity, I wouldn't feel too bad if this is his last outing.

**the illustrious mr. kenway** · 06-08-2021, 08:48 AM

I'm hoping one of his kids is a mutant. Not a big name character like Cyclops but just a mutant. It gives Clint some interesting material to explore and uses his family better. Plus its more convenient for worldbuilding and personalizes the mutant social issue.

**CosmiComic** · 06-08-2021, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by the illustrious mr. kenway

I'm hoping one of his kids is a mutant. Not a big name character like Cyclops but just a mutant. It gives Clint some interesting material to explore and uses his family better. Plus its more convenient for worldbuilding and personalizes the mutant social issue.

But he's never had a mutant kid. And his boring family has already taken up enough screen time

**John Venus** · 06-08-2021, 10:42 AM

Renner has the skills to play 616 Hawkeye but they went with Ultimate Hawkeye instead.

I would love it if his wife turned out to be a Skrull agent and his kids were all half Skrulls. Now that would be a fun twist.

**the illustrious mr. kenway** · 06-08-2021, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Mik

But he's never had a mutant kid. And his boring family has already taken up enough screen time

I'm cool with taking that liberty from the source material. It doesn't have to happen but I thought it was a good oppurtunity.

**CosmiComic** · 06-08-2021, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by the illustrious mr. kenway

I'm cool with taking that liberty from the source material. It doesn't have to happen but I thought it was a good oppurtunity.

Maybe. Idk which mutant would be a good candidate to be Hawkeye's kid

**CosmiComic** · 06-08-2021, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by John Venus

Renner has the skills to play 616 Hawkeye but they went with Ultimate Hawkeye instead.

I would love it if his wife turned out to be a Skrull agent and his kids were all half Skrulls. Now that would be a fun twist.

That would be creepy and problematic, wouldn't it?

**the illustrious mr. kenway** · 06-08-2021, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Mik

Maybe. Idk which mutant would be a good candidate to be Hawkeye's kid

They could just make one up rather than use an existing character.

**John Venus** · 06-08-2021, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mik

That would be creepy and problematic, wouldn't it?

Yeah but they are the villains so.....

You can't do Secret Invasion without having some established characters revealed as Skrulls.

Hawkeye's wife and kids, Maria Hill and General Ross are all good candidates to 'reveal' as Skrulls without disrupting previous continuity too much.

**chicago_bastard** · 06-08-2021, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by John Venus

Yeah but they are the villains so.....

You can't do Secret Invasion without having some established characters revealed as Skrulls.

Hawkeye's wife and kids, Maria Hill and General Ross are all good candidates to 'reveal' as Skrulls without disrupting previous continuity too much.

So Talos' wife was disguised as another Skrull pretending to be Hill? That's some Kirk Lazarus level of transformation.

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