Marvel Cinematic Universe Part II

[CosmiComic]

Other people having common powers doesn't mean Wanda needs one too.

Chaos magic is the source for her hexes, hex spheres, reality warping, etc. It's all under that umbrella, it's not unclear. It is varied. And yes, adding another power makes that worse. I'm ok with nightmare powers being a very minor thing. But her primary powers should be true to her actual powers in comics.

And yes, telepathy in comics is overused. How? It's a power a lot of characters have!

But what exactly is reality warping and hexes? Forgive my ignorance, but it never seems to have a concrete definition. I know she originally just made things 'happen', but I'm not sure what her powers exactly are now.

And telepathy isn't nearly as overused as a lot of powers.

[GenericUsername]

But what exactly is reality warping and hexes? Forgive my ignorance, but it never seems to have a concrete definition. I know she originally just made things 'happen', but I'm not sure what her powers exactly are now.

And telepathy isn't nearly as overused as a lot of powers.

Reality warping is changing reality. Pretty straight forward.

There are like over a dozen x-related characters that have telepathy alone, lol.

[CosmiComic]

Reality warping is changing reality. Pretty straight forward.

There are like over a dozen x-related characters that have telepathy alone, lol.

Yeah, but changing reality is a big thing. What exactly does it entail? Because it seems different writers do different things with her. And it's still only one power

And as I pointed out, X-Men having telepathy doesn't necessarily matter in this context because they share few members. I mean, there's a thousand generic flying bricks out there but somehow telepathy is too overused?

[GenericUsername]

Yeah, but changing reality is a big thing. What exactly does it entail? Because it seems different writers do different things with her. And it's still only one power

And as I pointed out, X-Men having telepathy doesn't necessarily matter in this context because they share few members. I mean, there's a thousand generic flying bricks out there but somehow telepathy is too overused?

Reality warping is only part of what is under chaos magic. And I don't know how to explain it easier. Your reality is one way, they change it to something else. You see a building, it becomes a chair. Things like that.

Yes, telepathy is too overused:

X-Characters

Xavier
Jean Grey
Psylocke
Emma Frost
Apocalpse
Quentin Quire
Legion
Cable
Stepford Cuckoos
Mister Sinister
Rachel Summers
X-Man
Madelyne Pryor
Azazel
Mastermind
Lady Mastermind
Karma
Exodus
Genesis
Monet St. Croix
Chamber
Blindfold
Nocturne
Lilandra
Negasonic Teenage Warhead
Dead Girl
Xorn
Prodigy
Living Monolith

Non-X-characters

Black Mamba
Julia Carpenter
Charlotte Witter
Mattie Franklin
Cosmo
Doctor Druid
Arnim Zola
Patsy Walker
Uatu
Thanos
Thena
Supreme Intelligence
Sprite
Shiklah
Sersi
Sentry
Franklin Richards
Wiccan
Purple Man
Psynapse
Lizard
Leader
Lady Gorgon
Mantis
Moondragon
High Evolutionary
Namor
Hela
Dracula
Maximus the Mad

Just to be clear, you want Wanda, the only one that possesses Chaos Magic naturally to be in with all those characters. Because there are also a lot of characters with superhuman strength or intelligence? That is cookie cutter. And sorry it's way too boring for me.

[CosmiComic]

Reality warping is only part of what is under chaos magic. And I don't know how to explain it easier. Your reality is one way, they change it to something else. You see a building, it becomes a chair. Things like that.

Yes, telepathy is too overused:

X-Characters

Xavier
Jean Grey
Psylocke
Emma Frost
Apocalpse
Quentin Quire
Legion
Cable
Stepford Cuckoos
Mister Sinister
Rachel Summers
X-Man
Madelyne Pryor
Azazel
Mastermind
Lady Mastermind
Karma
Exodus
Genesis
Monet St. Croix
Chamber
Blindfold
Nocturne
Lilandra
Negasonic Teenage Warhead
Dead Girl
Xorn
Prodigy
Living Monolith

Non-X-characters

Black Mamba
Julia Carpenter
Charlotte Witter
Mattie Franklin
Cosmo
Doctor Druid
Arnim Zola
Patsy Walker
Uatu
Thanos
Thena
Supreme Intelligence
Sprite
Shiklah
Sersi
Sentry
Franklin Richards
Wiccan
Purple Man
Psynapse
Lizard
Leader
Lady Gorgon
Mantis
Moondragon
High Evolutionary
Namor
Hela
Dracula
Maximus the Mad

Just to be clear, you want Wanda, the only one that possesses Chaos Magic naturally to be in with all those characters. Because there are also a lot of characters with superhuman strength or intelligence? That is cookie cutter. And sorry it's way too boring for me.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I never said she shouldn't have chaos magic. Just that an extra power isn't bad. IMO it's not just having the same powers, but having different power combinations. Both Iron Man and Vision have flight and enhanced strength yet aren't the exact same. But you seem to have taken a reductive approach to telepathy. You act like I want her to be generic when that's the opposite of what I'm saying

As for reality warping, can she use that to transform herself? What's the difference between that and what Skrulls can do?

[GenericUsername]

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I never said she shouldn't have chaos magic. Just that an extra power isn't bad. IMO it's not just having the same powers, but having different power combinations. Both Iron Man and Vision have flight and enhanced strength yet aren't the exact same. But you seem to have taken a reductive approach to telepathy. You act like I want her to be generic when that's the opposite of what I'm saying

As for reality warping, can she use that to transform herself? What's the difference between that and what Skrulls can do?

She has various abilities under chaos magic already. I'm saying comics are too flooded with telepathy and I prefer her to be unique.

No, that's shapeshifting. But there was a spell that kept her young in her solo. I don't think they kept that as a thing though.

[John Venus]

Chaos magic is an interesting power set. Whatever Wanda touches, it goes wrong; bulbs explode, guns backfire, she could make the Iron Man suit short circuit or cause Cap's shield to fly off in the wrong direction, etc.

And sometimes she can make things go 'right' in her favor. Hence why it's more like probability altering than just 'hexing'.

Whedon gave her mind control abilities in addition to that since I guess her powers were amped by the mind stone in the MCU but instead of focusing on what makes her unique, he wrote her more like a discount Jean Grey. In the comics, Wanda is like the 'secret weapon' that can take down Ultron, in the movie, him ripping his heart out felt more like an afterthought. It took CW, IW, EG and mostly (and by mostly I mean 90%) WV to really make her feel like her own standalone character.

[CosmiComic]

She has various abilities under chaos magic already. I'm saying comics are too flooded with telepathy and I prefer her to be unique.

No, that's shapeshifting. But there was a spell that kept her young in her solo. I don't think they kept that as a thing though.

Comics aren't flooded with telepathy any more than any other power. Probably less so. It doesn't make her less unique.

And how exactly does it not count as shapeshifting if one thing becomes another?

[John Venus]

Comics in general but Marvel and especially anything connected to the X-Men is. Seriously, telepathy is overused and overrated and it's a power you have to consistently write around otherwise the story ends in 5 minutes.

The last thing Wanda needs is more powers.

Shapeshifting usually involves changing the make up of your body to resemble something else. Reality warping tends to be alter people, objects and even entire timelines and history. Mystique altering her the molecular make up of her body to look like someone else is different from a powerful reality warper altering history so you were born a female instead of a male or you grew up admiring the Stones instead of the Beatles.

[Ascended]

I think the main reason Whedon made Wanda a psychic instead of a mage is because back in 2015 Marvel was still kind of hesitant to dive into the mystical side of comics. They wrote Thor and the Asgardians as "powerful aliens" instead of gods, for example.

Even when Dr. Strange came out (2018?) they were really iffy about how they wanted to present the concept of magic. Remember the Ancient One describing magic as a "program" because "spell" might offend Strange's modern sensibility? That line was aimed at an audience Marvel wasn't sure would accept the premise of Harry Potter-esque magic in the MCU.

[GenericUsername]

Comics aren't flooded with telepathy any more than any other power. Probably less so. It doesn't make her less unique.

And how exactly does it not count as shapeshifting if one thing becomes another?

Yes it does make it less unique when I can literally post a page long list of characters that have it, lol.

Because she isn't changing herself into something else at will.

[GenericUsername]

Chaos magic is an interesting power set. Whatever Wanda touches, it goes wrong; bulbs explode, guns backfire, she could make the Iron Man suit short circuit or cause Cap's shield to fly off in the wrong direction, etc.

And sometimes she can make things go 'right' in her favor. Hence why it's more like probability altering than just 'hexing'.

Whedon gave her mind control abilities in addition to that since I guess her powers were amped by the mind stone in the MCU but instead of focusing on what makes her unique, he wrote her more like a discount Jean Grey. In the comics, Wanda is like the 'secret weapon' that can take down Ultron, in the movie, him ripping his heart out felt more like an afterthought. It took CW, IW, EG and mostly (and by mostly I mean 90%) WV to really make her feel like her own standalone character.

She doesn't have so much of the backfiring powers anymore since she learned to control her powers. Occasionally a writer will bring that back.

The mind stone did likely have a part to do with it. And also Whedon just didn't know much about Wanda.

[CosmiComic]

Yes it does make it less unique when I can literally post a page long list of characters that have it, lol.

Because she isn't changing herself into something else at will.

Agree to disagree.

I guess it's not exactly like shape shifting, but if she can change objects like that, why can't she change things in other ways?

[CosmiComic]

Comics in general but Marvel and especially anything connected to the X-Men is. Seriously, telepathy is overused and overrated and it's a power you have to consistently write around otherwise the story ends in 5 minutes.

The last thing Wanda needs is more powers.

Shapeshifting usually involves changing the make up of your body to resemble something else. Reality warping tends to be alter people, objects and even entire timelines and history. Mystique altering her the molecular make up of her body to look like someone else is different from a powerful reality warper altering history so you were born a female instead of a male or you grew up admiring the Stones instead of the Beatles.

I don't get why everyone's bashing telepathy here. The most overused power is super strength or flight. It can be done correctly, if writers were consistent. I mean, you could say the same about reality manipulation

[GenericUsername]

Agree to disagree.

I guess it's not exactly like shape shifting, but if she can change objects like that, why can't she change things in other ways?

Her reality warping has limits unless she taps into a stronger power (The Twilight Sword, Simon's Ionic powers, the Life Force). Magic changes things on a smaller scale usually. Even Eldritch magic does. Doctor Strange is full of reality bending stuff. It's not the same as shapeshifters who are limited to changing themselves but can do so at will without a spell or a stronger power.