Marvel Cinematic Universe Part II

[Frontier]

spoilers:

I know that the actress for Star-Lord's mom appeared in a cameo role in Cap:TFA but where did they say she slept with Cap? Was it in She Hulk?

end of spoilers

spoilers:

I don't think it was actually meant to be Quill's mom, just the same actress. It was confirmed in an interview and they explicitly stated it in a post-credit scene of She-Hulk.

end of spoilers

[John Venus]

Do yall think Moondragon will ever show up in the MCU and if so will she be connected to Drax in any way?
One of my least favorite deviances from the comics in the MCU was the decision to make Drax an alien.

What about Phyla Vell? Do you think she could show up one day in a future "Marvels" film or some other cosmic-related movie?

Every character is getting a legacy nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if Drax is killed off but his daughter is revealed to be alive and she continues on in his name. They've introduced Starfox and explicitly called him Thanos brother. Nothing is out of bounds.

I think Phylla Vell will be introduced at some point after Guardians 3 as well. I could see The Marvels somehow paving the way for her introduction as well.

[James Cameron]

Every character is getting a legacy nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if Drax is killed off but his daughter is revealed to be alive and she continues on in his name. They've introduced Starfox and explicitly called him Thanos brother. Nothing is out of bounds.

I think Phylla Vell will be introduced at some point after Guardians 3 as well. I could see The Marvels somehow paving the way for her introduction as well.

I think they will reveal that all along Drax was human, and the High Evolutionary is responsible for his current form. Then they will reveal that Heather is alive and that's who Daniela Melchior is playing

[Omega Alpha]

I think they will reveal that all along Drax was human, and the High Evolutionary is responsible for his current form. Then they will reveal that Heather is alive and that's who Daniela Melchior is playing

I doubt it. The one revealed to be an experiment of HE will be Rocket.

[James Cameron]

I doubt it. The one revealed to be an experiment of HE will be Rocket.

Maybe both.

I'm just trying to see how they can introduce Heather and still make her connected to Drax without having her be a green alien like Drax. Also, in the MCU, Titan is a wasteland. What are ways they can introduce her as well as someone like Phyla, and remain faithful with all these inhibitors in the way? I just put out that earlier theory as one good option

[Ascended]

I feel like Phyla might depend on how they want to handle Mar-Vell's kids

I'd be pretty surprised if we don't see Genis or Phyla at some point in the near-ish future (before the multiverse saga ends). The Marvels seems the most obvious option but the kids could pop in virtually anywhere, really. But there's a lot of potential in Vell's kids showing up, maybe being pissed that Carol got so much time with Marv, maybe pissed that Carol has co-opted a name the kids think should rightfully be theirs.

One thing I kinda halfass, sorta expect is to see some of the kids fused together for the MCU. We've got what, Genis, Phyla, Hulkling....any other Vell kids I'm forgetting? And Carol already has two legacies in Monica and Kamala so the franchise is kinda full anyway. Maybe they'll mix Genis and Hulkling into one character or something. In any case I don't expect to see the entire family in the MCU, but I *do* expect to see at least one of them, eventually.

Regarding Moondragon, I don't think Fiege would change things to match the comic origin. It's convoluted and simply not needed; Drax is better as an alien who survived the Black Order/Ronan and not as a weird former-human-turned-alien-synthetic-thing. If they use Moondragon at all, they'll just say she survived Thanos' culling and Drax never learned of it. Maybe she was taken in by the Mad Titan like Gamora was. And since we've never seen another member of Drax's species, there's no reason to assume they're all the same gray-green color so Moondragon doesn't have to be green either.

As for She-Hulk, I thought the first episode was really fun. Very much a Boston Legal or Ally McBeal kind of comedy, and while the MCU pedigree is on full display and they make full use of the continuity, it doesn't really fall into the standard MCU/Iron Man formula so much as it follows the "legal comedy" genre....but with punching. The actress, who's name I can't spell off the top of my head, really knocked it out of the park and the cgi was infinitely better than that first trailer we saw (which most of us watched with off-kilter resolution, making it even worse). I'm not a She-Hulk fan but I had a lot of fun with this episode. Ruffalo was excellent as always and got a lot more screen time than I expected him to. Can't wait to see Daredevil!! Hopefully he gets more than a single episode cameo, and I definitely expect to see him and Jen spar in the court room.

Regarding the discussion about Steve Rogers, the woman in question isn't named so we don't know who the lucky lady was. My first thought was the dancing girl who kissed Steve (the one everyone thinks is Star-Lord's grandmother due to the actress being the same). My wife assumed it was Peggy, and that makes more sense to me. Steve spent his whole life waiting for the "right dance partner" and I don't see him changing his mind for a one-night stand with some random chick. Not when he and Peggy were already chasing each other.

What are ways they can introduce her as well as someone like Phyla, and remain faithful with all these inhibitors in the way?

Marvel has played really fast and loose with the majority of their cosmic characters. The Nova Corps doesn't look much like the comic version in the films, more like a space navy. Most of the Guardians were changed in substantial ways as well, so I doubt Marvel is gonna suddenly start bending over backwards to match the comics.

[Frontier]

To be honest I'd be less concerned with Heather's origin so much as how they'd adapt her.

[Zero Hunter]

Honestly I could see them making Heather a rouge Eternal. Maybe even make her the daughter of Starfox if they still wanted to have some father/daughter drama in her story.

[James Cameron]

Moondragon the daughter of Eros. Not sure I like that idea one bit.

[mace11]

Update
SHE-HULK: ATTORNEY AT LAW 86% Avg rating 7.25/10
Audience Score 65 or
64% Avg rating 3.5 if you go to season 1 part of she hulk

She-Hulk Gets Review Bombed Before Release


https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/ma...-critics-fans/

By the way other sites were/are being reviewed bomb as well like RT etc..


The She-Hulk Review Debacle Just Keeps Getting Weirder

Disney and Marvel's latest television series knows a thing or two about rules and getting angry, but that is probably on account of the main character being both a Hulk and a lawyer. Skilled in both respective aspects of her life, Jennifer Walters (Tatiana Maslany) is the cousin of Bruce Banner (Mark Ruffalo), who, for the uninitiated, is better known as the Hulk. Although Jennifer wants to focus on her career and paying off her student debt, she is instead forced into fights that she wants no part of, but as Bruce tells her, being a Hulk puts a target on her back.

Speaking of having a target on your back, Marvel is no neophyte when it comes to a polarizing response to its properties. According to Inverse, Rotten Tomatoes had to remove toxic reviews from the movie "Captain Marvel" due to a brigade effort to review bomb the film. Likewise, "Ms. Marvel" shared a similar fate, and "Ms. Marvel" star Iman Vellani responded to NME about these reoccurring efforts by saying, "It's honestly quite laughable and I think change is scary for a lot of people. And having a show that surrounds a 16-year-old girl who's Pakistani and Muslim and a superhero is scary for a lot of people. I think this is just gonna rip the Band Aid off and hopefully people will fall in love with her." However, it seems this tired story is getting another spin with "She-Hulk: Attorney at Law," but what is exactly happening?

Users are both review bombing and propping She-Hulk up on IMDd




Considering the systematic attacks on Marvel television shows and movies, it should come as no real surprise that "She-Hulk: Attorney at Law" is under barrage. This time though, instead of an army of internet denizens engaging in armchair assassinations of user-submitted scores, it appears as if there are now two camps attempting to manipulate scores. On one end of the spectrum, we have several people doing their best to bring down a score, and in response, a group of people has also taken it on themselves to prop a score up. This has led to some rather interesting results, with IMDb being a perfect example.


Taking a look at the IMDb user scores for "She-Hulk," one can notice what can only be described as an inverted bell curve. As of this writing, there are just shy of 19,000 user submissions, but instead of a nice run of different opinions, it looks like there are two extremely different camps of thought when it comes to the show. Of those 19,000 votes, there are 6,374 submissions that say "She-Hulk" is a perfect 10, while on the flip side of that, there are 5,429 that say the show is a one out of 10. These two scores constitute 62% of the total vote, which results in "She-Hulk" having an average score of 5.9, but this score is a balance between two extremes.

The IMDb user reviews highlight a disconnect between fans

The IMDb user reviews help to illuminate why there is such a disconnect between fans. IMDB user goldstone-77 said of their one-star review, "Probably the worst MCU show to date, and that's saying something. She is obnoxious. Too much feminism, way to alienate a large portion of your potential audience. The premise of the blood falling on her arm and turning her was simplistic and unimaginative." On the flip side of that coin, user noahbmayfield reviewed "She-Hulk" positively and stated, "[Let's] get one thing out of the way: There are a million reviews on here detailing the infuriating review bombing from the ever-misogynistic Marvel fandom, so I don't think we need one more. But, while I do want to keep this as an honest review rather than a retaliation, I will say that, yes, I'm just as annoyed and disappointed as you that this kind of review bombing is still going on."

However, IMDb isn't the only place this stratification is happening, but it is the most pronounced. As mentioned earlier, Rotten Tomatoes had taken steps to remove toxic reviews from "Captain Marvel," but it seems as if there is still some of that going on with "She-Hulk," as the show has a Rotten Tomatoes critic score of 86%, while the audience score is 66%. This isn't a huge discrepancy, but the user reviews echo the similar sentiments of the IMDb reviews.


Rotten Tomatoes and Reddit reviews are just as diverse

In their Rotten Tomatoes review, user Jay E gave "She-Hulk" a half a star out of five, and said, "This show [really] has no direction... pretty disappointed tbh. I guess the MCU is trying to cater to 30 year old family-less women who may see past the cringy writing, bad cgi, and poor direction." Again, to illustrate the absolute division of fans, user Troy W stated, "I can't believe I am pulling this card but, the negative reviewers obviously have never read the Dan Slot (which is the same sense this show is based on) run of She-Hulk. Their heads are really going to explode when she starts sleeping with who she damn well pleases. She-Hulk is in control of herself more than Hulk, even her 'Savage' form is more in control. Why? Because she is female. It is, and always has been that way in the comics."

Reddit is also a place where the proverbial battle lines are being drawn for "She-Hulk," with u/rowdy_nik saying that they didn't think Marvel shows could get worse after "Ms. Marvel," and complained about Disney pushing propaganda and ruining legacy heroes. U/LooseSeal88 absolutely adored "She-Hulk," and said that the character has quickly become one of their favorites. They then questioned if the people with negative comments even watched the same show. U/annoyingrelative probably said it best when it comes to the varying opinions surrounding "She-Hulk," and they noted that the show, which they consider fun, won't exactly be everybody's cup of tea. In summation and considering the varying comments surrounding the series, it seems as if the polarizing reviews of "She-Hulk" are yet another result of opposing cultural views, and "She-Hulk" is simply another battleground.

https://www.looper.com/972155/the-sh..._campaign=clip


‘She-Hulk’ Is Getting Review-Bombed Even Harder Than ‘Ms. Marvel’

Yes, more than a third of all reviews for She-Hulk are 1 star, which makes its current IMDB score 5.4 out of 10, the lowest of all the MCU series. Ms. Marvel is still at a 6.2 with 19.9% 1 star reviews, so it’s not like IMDB every really goes and tries to sort through these kinds of bombing campaigns. And as I posted last time, here’s what this curve looks like for a “just okay” series like Falcon and the Winter Soldier that no one is bombing:

On Rotten Tomatoes it’s less severe. She-Hulk has a 90% critic score with 255 reviews in and 77% audience score, which isn’t great (it’s the lowest among MCU shows at the moment), but it’s not as intensive of a bombing run as what’s being shown on IMDB.

All anyone has is their opinion, of course, but there’s a difference between a show or movie reviewing worse than average, and a literal flood of one star reviews that are incredibly disproportionate compared to every other show except for Ms. Marvel.

After having watched the first episode this morning, I’d say the complaints about CG are mostly moot now, as things look a lot better in the live show than they did in the trailers. I also thought the comedy and fourth wall-breaking worked, but I’m certainly curious to see more and how the show develops now that Jennifer is back in lawyer mode.

So yes, as ever, this kind of review bombing is incredibly childish and stupid. She-Hulk may not end up being the greatest MCU series ever, sure, but what’s happening here is not reflective of its quality whatsoever, and is yet another embarrassing comic book media fandom moment.

To read more go here.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultas...han-ms-marvel/


Note- A 77%RT score and average score 3.8/5 score are great scores.
RT SCORES
75%- /10 to 84% is great/4 stars

Average ratings
3.8/4.2- 4 stars(great)


But now on RT the audinence score went down and down because of more review bombing.

[Ascended]

People are idiots.

I love that one quote pulled from imdb; "She is obnoxious. Too much feminism, way to alienate a large portion of your potential audience." I feel like, if you're gonna say something like that, or you agree with it, then you're not actually part of the audience Marvel wants. Hell, they told China and Russia to piss off over the LBGT stuff, and those countries are big box office generators. I doubt Marvel cares over much about appeasing a small but vocal group of incel bitches who are scared by women who are more than doormats or housewives.

[Maestro 216]

People are idiots.

I love that one quote pulled from imdb; "She is obnoxious. Too much feminism, way to alienate a large portion of your potential audience." I feel like, if you're gonna say something like that, or you agree with it, then you're not actually part of the audience Marvel wants. Hell, they told China and Russia to piss off over the LBGT stuff, and those countries are big box office generators. I doubt Marvel cares over much about appeasing a small but vocal group of incel bitches who are scared by women who are more than doormats or housewives.

But the MCU is dying hot take vids on youtube told me so! \s

[CTTT]

https://www.cbr.com/she-hulk-the-bli...n-disney-plus/

The person in this article sounds like a dolt: "oh the blip's been covered/talked about, people have moved on". Yeah right, there was a five year gap. I want to know what happened in those five years before the remaining Avengers fought Thanos. What has been covered or referenced so far are Monica's mother disappearing and reappearing, Sam dealing with family's fallout and financial recovery. But I'd like to see what else happened in that five year blip. Apparently Secret Invasion is going to cover this?

[Galerion]

The problem with the Blip is that it is realistically speaking an Apocalypse level event. Millions would die of starvation, people would have no jobs, money or homes, loved ones would have moved on, war and conflict would erupt throughout the entire world, etc.

It's quite obvious that Marvel sees the the Blip as the heroes saving the universe and returning the world to the status quo. Nothing more and there is nothing wrong with that. I feel having the 5 year gap was an honest mistake on their part. Without it you wouldn't have this problem. The world would have just moved on without skipping a beat basically but as it is they can't really pay more than lip service to it because again realistically speaking it would be unimaginable chaos that would change the world forever and that is not the narrative that Marvel is interested in.

[Ascended]

I agree, the five year gap is something I really want to see more of.

I'm guessing one of the reasons we haven't seen more of it is that Marvel doesn't think they could pull it off and accurately capture the chaos and fear and upheaval that the Snap would have created. We've gotten small glimpses of it, but a global crisis like that? There is no historical event to pull inspiration from, that's beyond any challenge or threat the real world has ever faced. Really digging into all the problems and issues that would arise....maybe Marvel knows it's too big a bite for them to take?

And in the MCU timeline, it *has* been years now since everyone returned. Endgame was what, 2023 right? Hawkeye establishes (by saying it's been a few years since Ronin was seen) that in the MCU it's gotta be around 2025 now. People are remarkable at getting over stuff. Hell, people got over the pandemic and went back to normal life, and the pandemic isn't actually over yet! And with the Snap, there'd be all kinds of problems with housing and such, but the workforce also would have increased by 50%, all of them in need of new jobs, so a lot of cleaning and rebuilding likely got done real quick.

I hope Secret Invasion or some other show/film does dive into the five year gap and gives us a better look at the era, and it could happen; a full show might have the time to delve into it all, but I dunno how likely that is given the incredibly complex, overwhelming nature of the Snap. I think we're only gonna get small snippets and brief mentions here and there, like most of the films/shows have done. Like, Black Panther 2 will probably mention, just in passing, what happened in Wakanda during the Blip, and that kind of gloss-over is about all I expect to get from the MCU. And we likely won't even get much of that going forward as the MCU itself moves further away from the era. But I'd love to be wrong.