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I used to like the Tobey movies more back in the day. But I don't think they hold up today. I mean, the third one in the trilogy was pretty so I kinda liked that one. I couldn't stand the Andrew movies. I actually stopped watching superhero films for several years after watching them. And my love of Spider-Man was dramatically reduced as a result. What I didn't like in particular was the constant crying. Spider-Man cried a lot in those Sony movies. I was not happy Loki cried so much in his own series. I didn't mind Vision crying in WandaVision because that was paying tribute to a classic Avengers story. I don't like superheroes indulging in self-pity and self-doubt. That's why I love MCU Tony Stark and Nick Fury. They don't take no mess.
No problem with self-doubt. But when Thor cried in Endgame I was laughing. The way Spider-Man cried in the Sony movies was just too much. Every now and then is fine. But they were leaking like faucets after a while, and I thought it was terribly overwrought. At least Black Panther had some dignity when he shed his tears. Just my opinion though.
I for one greatly enjoyed the return to comedy. I liked the darker episodes, but I've enjoyed the "fun" ones a lot more.
Arguably one of the best Thor fights in the MCU, I thought. He and Carol were punching each other across oceans, and that's the kind of power I expect from a Thor, and the MCU has rarely given me that.Thor vs. Captain Marvel was fun.
I think as long as Hemsworth is playing him, Thor's going to have a strong comedic bent to him now. Hemsworth is good at it, Ragnarok was the biggest Thor film yet, and they've still done more serious work with the character in Infinity War and, on certain levels, Endgame, which shows Thor still has some range and isn't "just" a comedy character. But I don't think we'll see a truly, properly (solely) Shakespearean Thor in the MCU again.I guess I am also concerned that this is just doubling down on the dude bro characterization of Hemsworth's Thor.
That annoyed the hell out of me. Why even bother, if he's only gonna randomly wear it for one random scene? I feel like Marvel is ashamed of Zemo; they want the name recognition but don't want to use the actual character. I feel like F&tWS inched Zemo a tiny bit closer to what he should be, and if he continues to show up, maybe each new appearance will do the same and we'll reach a "proper" Zemo before it's done. But Zemo is easily one of the worst villain adaptations in the MCU.My only issue is his mask being the most blatant moment of comic book winking I've ever seen where he brings his mask for seemingly no reason, puts it on for no reason, and then takes it off after five seconds.
I mean, Civil War does such a poor job of exploring Zemo, I feel like his being a baron is viable. It fits around the scant details we have concerning his background in CW without contradicting anything. Royals in Britain serve in their military (though I don't believe they become death commandos) and being a royal helps explain where Zemo's resources came from (even high ranking soldiers don't usually have access to stuff like EMP's).
Granted, it's a weird thing to omit in Civil War and you'd expect that someone would have mentioned it. But with Sokovia dead and gone, you can make allowances for it not being mentioned; his training was more important to the plot than the position he held in a nation that no longer exists. I guess. Think this is just one of those things where fans gotta just smile and nod and say "Okay Marvel" and ignore the obvious problems behind it all.
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~ Black Panther.
Oh, I didn't say it was wrong. I just thought Hemsworth was hilarious. He CLEARLY excels at comedy. I wasn't supposed to laugh but I did. I dunno man, I understand crying after Uncle Ben dying was appropriate. But didn't cry a lot afterwards? And as I recall so did Garfield? I just vaguely recall they were crying over a lot of nothing. But I could be misremembering.
IMO, the reason for the changes in the characterizations of the the villains, is this need for the writers to make SYMPATHETIC villains. You can't do that with the older versions of, let's say, Baron Zemo, Task Master, Flag Smasher or Killmonger. Or even "Gorilla Man" (aka "M'Baku"). Heck, John Walker was portrayed sympathetically, even though he is supposed to be the antagonist in TF&TWS.
As for Thor's portrayal in the MCU: yes, Shakespearean Thor is best, but it wasn't selling well to the general audience. Throw in some comedy into the mix, you hit box office gold. Ergo, that's the direction the Thor series will go for, for the time being.
Eh, a lot of these 'sympathetic villains' aren't really done well. I don't need to cry for these villains to enjoy them or believe them. I think the older version of Zemo would've worked fine, because at least it's not 'superheroes should be accountable' as a villain motif. Villainizing good ideals doesn't really make me sympathize
I think the problem with Shakespearean Thor is he can come off too odd. Like he doesn't feel as much.
Last edited by Albert1981; 09-25-2021 at 10:30 AM.