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    I read the first two issues. I think it's pretty good.

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    I like the second issue too. I have a better grasp of the characters and who some of their real life counterparts are. Though still not sure about a few of them.

    I know for sure:
    Ray Clarke-Gil Kane
    Bob Rose-Stan Lee
    Sid Mitchell-Jack Kirby

    Jess Mayberg-maybe Mort Weisinger?

    I think Tom Hollenbeck is suppose to be Rob Leifield.


    The others, I'm not sure of.
    There came a time when the Old Gods died! The Brave died with the Cunning! The Noble perished locked in battle with unleashed Evil! It was the last day for them! An ancient era was passing in fiery holocaust!

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    The guy getting grilled by the senator definitely is a stand in for Bill Gaines

    Alfred Kessler I wanna guess is Harvey Kurtzman? But I could be way off.

    The secretary that Ray has an affair with is probably Flo Steinberg who was Stan Lee's assistant during that time period

    A guy I'm friends with on Youtube said that Ted Whitman is probably and black artist who was around actually during the golden age. I had to look it up, but he might Matt Baker.

    Benita Heindel, I was guessing perhaps Marie Severin? But I could be off.

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    Yes, the book was heavily based in fact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    I like the second issue too. I have a better grasp of the characters and who some of their real life counterparts are. Though still not sure about a few of them.

    I know for sure:
    Ray Clarke-Gil Kane
    Bob Rose-Stan Lee
    Sid Mitchell-Jack Kirby

    Jess Mayberg-maybe Mort Weisinger?

    I think Tom Hollenbeck is suppose to be Rob Leifield.


    The others, I'm not sure of.
    who is Alfie? Who died in 2001?

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    Anyway, I love Howard but in this case, I am just endulging him. The inside affairs of turmiol of the history of comics just doesn't make for a captivating read. It would, however, make for an every interesting autobiography, although it is not really autobiographical because most of this is about the generation which Chaykin aprenticed under.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbrklyn View Post
    who is Alfie? Who died in 2001?
    At first I thought Harvey Kurtzman because there's mention of him trying to put more literally influences in his work and even though he knew most of the readers were kids, he was trying to raise the writing level of his comics.

    However Dan DeCarlo died around 2001-ish and did marry a redhead. But I don't think Dan was jewish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed2962 View Post
    At first I thought Harvey Kurtzman because there's mention of him trying to put more literally influences in his work and even though he knew most of the readers were kids, he was trying to raise the writing level of his comics.

    However Dan DeCarlo died around 2001-ish and did marry a redhead. But I don't think Dan was jewish.
    he could have combined them

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbrklyn View Post
    he could have combined them
    Issue three was another solid and depressing issue. But the truth about the comics industry is depressing. I am thinking that a few of these characters are straight roman a clef, Ray, Benita, Bob Rose, Sid, Jess...(Brian Callanan in this issue is the tragic Joe Maneely)
    Ted Whitman seems like a conglomerate of Clarence Baker, Bill Everett and a few others.
    I am not sure who Laszlo Fabian is suppose to be. When Ray says there are only two artist he learned from, I can only think Kirby (of course) and Eisner, but Fabian as the best artist around sounds more like Lou Fine (and it's the LF) but I think the hanging out the window thing doesn't fit Fine's character AFAIK. Fabian acts more macho like Frank Frazzetta.
    Probably another pastiche.
    Anyway for a comics history buff, Chaykin is doing a top job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Issue three was another solid and depressing issue. But the truth about the comics industry is depressing. I am thinking that a few of these characters are straight roman a clef, Ray, Benita, Bob Rose, Sid, Jess...(Brian Callanan in this issue is the tragic Joe Maneely)
    Ted Whitman seems like a conglomerate of Clarence Baker, Bill Everett and a few others.
    I am not sure who Laszlo Fabian is suppose to be. When Ray says there are only two artist he learned from, I can only think Kirby (of course) and Eisner, but Fabian as the best artist around sounds more like Lou Fine (and it's the LF) but I think the hanging out the window thing doesn't fit Fine's character AFAIK. Fabian acts more macho like Frank Frazzetta.
    Probably another pastiche.
    Anyway for a comics history buff, Chaykin is doing a top job.
    That's exactly who I thought of as well. And I'm pretty sure that I've read rumors that supposedly Mort could be a jerk when it came to paying people to the point where a couple may have threaten him.

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    Would this still have appeal to people who wouldn't be able to make all of the comic industry connections or recognize the characterizations from this era?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundsci View Post
    Would this still have appeal to people who wouldn't be able to make all of the comic industry connections or recognize the characterizations from this era?
    Yeah, I think the story works OK just as a story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundsci View Post
    Would this still have appeal to people who wouldn't be able to make all of the comic industry connections or recognize the characterizations from this era?
    I've got some ideas of who's who. Certainly not to extent others have speculated here, but I find the story interesting mostly due to the fact that it's a subject (comic books) that I am interested in. In many ways it's really a story "based on true events" where you know not everything is strictly according to actual events, but close enough to pinpoint some names. As I posted earlier, the Powerhouse musical on Broadway did actually happen for Superman.

    The story is full of Chaykin reliance on historic flaws and his usual cynical and irreverent tone. My guess is, if you're interested enough in comics to be here and Howard Chaykin doesn't turn you off, then this is a story you may find interesting.

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