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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanlos View Post
    I just don't get any mortal thinking an army of helicopters and tanks going to do anything against Wonder Woman. Like, is that panel part of a recycling initiative? A decommissioning or scrap program perhaps?



    My question is, what part of Diana's powers did she use to survive the missile onslaught? At first I thought it was her resistance to blunt force trauma and fire, but then what was the lasso twirling for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanlos View Post
    I just don't get any mortal thinking an army of helicopters and tanks going to do anything against Wonder Woman. Like, is that panel part of a recycling initiative? A decommissioning or scrap program perhaps?
    lol, right? Arrogance is too easy of an answer/explanation. I also wonder if there was one dude somewhere who was like, “guys we already tried this, that’s what’s so fkd up.” (Paraphrasing Peter Griffin as Han Solo in Fam Guy). Then afterwards that one guy is like, “I told you so!”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanlos View Post
    I just don't get any mortal thinking an army of helicopters and tanks going to do anything against Wonder Woman. Like, is that panel part of a recycling initiative? A decommissioning or scrap program perhaps?
    How many people try to shoot Superman?

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    Only good versions of Etta Candy that follow the Golden Age style are Simone and LoWW.
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    Amy Reeder also has an awesome take on Etta Candy, in the short story she did for the Black & Gold anthology, and the short story in the 80th anniversary special
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primal Slayer View Post
    How many people try to shoot Superman?
    This is a good point.
    Keep in mind that you have about as much chance of changing my mind as I do of changing yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanlos View Post
    I just don't get any mortal thinking an army of helicopters and tanks going to do anything against Wonder Woman. Like, is that panel part of a recycling initiative? A decommissioning or scrap program perhaps?
    King is clearly writing this Diana in a universe where people don't actually know how powerful she is. The persistent thematic thread is that everyone underestimates her. Never mind the fact that King himself seems to underestimate her - he's constantly comparing her to other (male) superheroes rather than letting her exist on her own terms and has on multiple occasions pointed out that she's not as warm, physically powerful, or humanistic as Superman.

    It misses the essential point: A key part of her appeal is the fantasy of a super-powerful woman who ISN'T constantly underestimated. I have major issues with the first film, but a big reason why a lot of women were so moved by it at the time is because it wasn't yet another movie all about a strong woman who's assumed lesser and proves herself. She was questioned at first, but it wasn't the thematic foundation of the story - the male characters deferred to her as soon as she demonstrated what she was capable of, and she didn't have to beat them up and humiliate them to accomplish it.

    I kinda get the impression that King is narrativizing his own self-consciousness about writing the title.

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    Whether intentional or not, I feel like in a weird way the backups are a microcosm of the trinity characters and their fan bases to a degree. On the one hand you have Damian poking at Jon by saying he did nothing to deserve his moniker, S standing for hope is lame, etc. On the other hand, you have Jon saying that all Damian does is brood all the time and perch himself in deep thought on a gargoyle in the rain. And then there’s Lizzie, who doesn’t seem to care or be bothered by such trifles. WW is above the fray, as it were, and almost seems to exist independently of the others in that regard. Yet, she’s ultimately dependent upon the both of them even though she cares not about their bickering.

    I’m surely reading too deeply in to it, but big picture wise, that’s how I read it. Or not. Depending on my mood. lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanlos View Post
    I just don't get any mortal thinking an army of helicopters and tanks going to do anything against Wonder Woman. Like, is that panel part of a recycling initiative? A decommissioning or scrap program perhaps?
    "I hate these tanks! Let's go attack Wonder Woman with them!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Frog Bros View Post
    Whether intentional or not, I feel like in a weird way the backups are a microcosm of the trinity characters and their fan bases to a degree. On the one hand you have Damian poking at Jon by saying he did nothing to deserve his moniker, S standing for hope is lame, etc. On the other hand, you have Jon saying that all Damian does is brood all the time and perch himself in deep thought on a gargoyle in the rain. And then there’s Lizzie, who doesn’t seem to care or be bothered by such trifles. WW is above the fray, as it were, and almost seems to exist independently of the others in that regard. Yet, she’s ultimately dependent upon the both of them even though she cares not about their bickering.

    I’m surely reading too deeply in to it, but big picture wise, that’s how I read it. Or not. Depending on my mood. lol.
    She's also 5-10 in 99% of the backups when it comes to dependency

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Frog Bros View Post
    Whether intentional or not, I feel like in a weird way the backups are a microcosm of the trinity characters and their fan bases to a degree. On the one hand you have Damian poking at Jon by saying he did nothing to deserve his moniker, S standing for hope is lame, etc. On the other hand, you have Jon saying that all Damian does is brood all the time and perch himself in deep thought on a gargoyle in the rain. And then there’s Lizzie, who doesn’t seem to care or be bothered by such trifles. WW is above the fray, as it were, and almost seems to exist independently of the others in that regard. Yet, she’s ultimately dependent upon the both of them even though she cares not about their bickering.

    I’m surely reading too deeply in to it, but big picture wise, that’s how I read it. Or not. Depending on my mood. lol.
    That's actually pretty interesting. I had my own thoughts that each represent the "pop cultural image" of their respective parent that DC casuals/non-fans think they are vs. how their hardcore fans see them.

    Jon - The nicest of the three but largely toothlessly inoffensive.
    Damien - Largely an unlikeable jerk but moments of fanservice kindness sprinkled in
    Lizzie - Most smugly egotistical and aloof of the three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    That's actually pretty interesting. I had my own thoughts that each represent the "pop cultural image" of their respective parent that DC casuals/non-fans think they are vs. how their hardcore fans see them.

    Jon - The nicest of the three but largely toothlessly inoffensive.
    Damien - Largely an unlikeable jerk but moments of fanservice kindness sprinkled in
    Lizzie - Most smugly egotistical and aloof of the three.
    Yeah, I can see that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bardkeep View Post
    King is clearly writing this Diana in a universe where people don't actually know how powerful she is. The persistent thematic thread is that everyone underestimates her. Never mind the fact that King himself seems to underestimate her - he's constantly comparing her to other (male) superheroes rather than letting her exist on her own terms and has on multiple occasions pointed out that she's not as warm, physically powerful, or humanistic as Superman.

    It misses the essential point: A key part of her appeal is the fantasy of a super-powerful woman who ISN'T constantly underestimated. I have major issues with the first film, but a big reason why a lot of women were so moved by it at the time is because it wasn't yet another movie all about a strong woman who's assumed lesser and proves herself. She was questioned at first, but it wasn't the thematic foundation of the story - the male characters deferred to her as soon as she demonstrated what she was capable of, and she didn't have to beat them up and humiliate them to accomplish it.

    I kinda get the impression that King is narrativizing his own self-consciousness about writing the title.
    Reminds me of how Geoff Johns criticized DC's excessive use of violence and cynicism in Infinite Crisis despite the story shamelessly indulging in that ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Reminds me of how Geoff Johns criticized DC's excessive use of violence and cynicism in Infinite Crisis despite the story shamelessly indulging in that ideology.
    Wow, the lack of self-awareness Johns had at this moment is absolutely staggering.
    Keep in mind that you have about as much chance of changing my mind as I do of changing yours.

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