Edited post. NVM.
Edited post. NVM.
Last edited by Agent Z; 05-14-2019 at 11:42 PM.
Yet none of it Ever happens in the comic. I want her to be relevant in a real world way and she's not. Being hundreds of years old doesn't help matters.
I believe you all are being shortsighted by putting Diana in a box and placing all these strident restrictions on her characterization. Why force her to constantly be stiff and educational, that's not fun or interesting to a vast majority of readers. A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down easier.
Someone commented on another thread that there are less than a dozen regular posters in this forum. We're her fanbase now, but who's going to support her in 50 years when we're gone? That's why I want her young and relatable, so she can hook a new audience. She's too great a character to die out with us.
First, being fun or relatable aren't the only values worth looking for in determining how well a fictional character will work. There are many more reasons to read about them or appreciate them. Second, being fun or relatable aren't intrinsic qualities of the character, but emerges between the reader and the character based on good characterisation and good stories.
There are also more than one way to build relatability in a fictional character. One is the idea that there must be some form of recognition or identification from the reader onto the character, but that's only one way. If we take Wonder Woman as an example, she is practically tailer-made for another form of relatability, that is that she consciously relates to all the people around her. The movie managed that to great effect.
For myself, I don't care if Diana is 18 or 3,000 years old when she arrives in Man's World. Either can be sources of great stories in the right hands. I also find the obsession with making Wonder Woman relatable more than a little misguided; hardly any other superhero character gets the same treatment.
«Speaking generally, it is because of the desire of the tragic poets for the marvellous that so varied and inconsistent an account of Medea has been given out» (Diodorus Siculus, The Library of History [4.56.1])
She has had friends, family members, her own culture that she takes pride in and a job for decades.
None of the things you are asking for where done with Diana in her movie. And yet she still became the first financially and commercially successful movie superheroine. She didn't need to be 18 or younger to hook an audience larger than us. Younger audiences do not need characters they like to be within their age range or even have lives that are similar to theirs. As I said, Diana is among the most popular superheroes in the world right now without needing to be a teenager or young adult.
Again, you're automatically equating 'old' with 'stiff and educational.' As has been pointed out, the Diana in BvS and JL is over 100 years old, has a job, and comes across as a compassionate and relatable human being.
Sharing cultural experiences does not have to equate to pontificating (see Perez run).I'd just like her to behave like a normal modern person that owns a cellphone, owns a car she likes, has a social media presence, is aware of pop culture references and has a hobby other than crime fighting and pontificating.
Has she *sometimes* been shown at public events as an ambassador being a formal diplomat? Yes, but that has nothing to do with age and everything to do with a story and style choice made by the writer.
Btw, I personally have no interest in her using a cell phone, driving a car, or having a social media presence. I'm really not interested in seeing Superhero Girls, where Diana is learning to be a regular teen (despite being hundreds of years old ). It's fun in the cartoon, but not what I want in the book.
By contrast, I love her having a public identity and being an ambassador and author where her 'real life' down time is how she relates to other superheroes, embassy staff, other dignitaries, etc. As amusing as it was, Taco Whiz is not my idea of where I want Diana to go.
If I want to see the trials and tribulations of an average, every-day woman in the superhero world, there's Batgirl, Black Canary, and other heroes I could read.
However, that she isn't blending into every day life doesn't mean that Diana is, by default, automatically dehumanized or unrelatable.
By opening her own business more like shelter or something that can open more people. For example, she uses her knowledge to heal people if they can’t pay for it. Or just becomes a defense teacher.
I wonder what if Paradise Island had more than one tribe? More so due to the fact the Amazons had more than one issue depending on the storyline.
Last edited by AmiMizuno; 05-15-2019 at 07:31 PM.
Sorry Gaelforce, we're never going to agree on this. What you've described sounds like the status quo 20 years ago. I've read those stories and want something new. It feels like we're treading water, every time there's a different direction there's a backlash and we get more of the same. Hence my comment about Diana being in a box and not allowed to change or grow.
I don't think I'm asking for a whole lot. Behaving like a normal modern person that owns a cellphone, owns a car she likes, has a social media presence, is aware of pop culture references and has a hobby really isn't a tall order. Minus the hobby I've basically described the DCEU version of Wonder Woman, she has all those things.
There are many, many, ways for Diana to be relatable, this is one of them.
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This is where DC has suffered in Modern times. They for a while can't make her relatable . This is why sometimes I would love it if we see a story start with Diana going to movies or listening to music. We just get something of her fighting. We have her with no city. I would love to see the fact she has Paradise Island and a City in the outside world. She is suppose to have two symbolize herself as a agent of the Amazons
Relatability is a meme. Batman is a billionaire genius level ninja who has mastered every field of science known to man as well as every martial arts and has a photographic memory, who can beat anyone with preptime and has a harem of beautiful women who are desperate to sleep with him, whom he mostly ignores in favor of beating up an assorted gang of freaks, none of whom actually qualify for the legal definition of insane except for 1 or 2. He fights them with the help of underaged boys who all look alike, his cousin, his British secret agent butler, the daughter of the police commissioner, and a wide variety of others. Batman is utterly unlike the average reader and literally none of his fans could be him, and only the utterly delusional think otherwise.
He’s also the most popular hero on the planet and you know why? Because he’s cool. That’s it, he’s a power fantasy through and through with just enough flaws to keep him from being perfect. Diana could use some things to flesh her out, I wouldn’t mind knowing her favorite music for example, but that stuff is secondary. Embrace the coolness of Diana. She’s a demigod princess raised on a utopian all-women island who can kick butt while also being compassionate enough to do more than just hand out beat downs. She’s got flaws that keep her from being perfect, as well as virtues that make her appealing. She was perfectly relatable and likeable in her movie, to the point she singlehandedly kept the DCEU afloat. I feel like you guys are too down on her these days when there’s so much to be optimistic about.
If I had one thing about Wonder Woman to be down about, its that we don't have enough of her. We need spinoff comics! Animated movies exploring the greatest storylines across Wonder Womans history! A spinoff film for Wonder Girl! A Lego Wonder Woman movie!
As it is though, we have a couple of OGNs to come out featuring Wonder Woman and Hippolyta over the next couple years. The movies coming out next year. Wonder Woman will be getting (a potentially horrible) animated movie coming out soonish. And shes the lead character in a DC cartoon by Lauren Faust.
Im going to have to agree on the relatability bit because I can't say I relate to any heroes and I don't really expect to. I mean, 'alien who looks down on humanity like ants from his fortress of solitude and squeezing coal into diamonds whenever hes short on cash while being able to do anything ever' and 'born into money wealthy war profiteer who realized selling guns to terrorists is bad so he becomes an alchohol loving superhero' are not concepts I find relatable. Despite that, their mega popular and are well regarded as among the greatest and most beloved superheroes in the world behind 'richest man in the world whose mastered all science and martial arts so he can dress up as his fursona and punch muggers.'
Honestly the world views of characters like Iron man and Batman are probably more alien than Wonder Womans to most of the populace of the planet.
But I do still think we should have her get s city. What would be so wrong with her having a city feel with magical creatures?
Also why is there a most likely new 52 animated movie? I mean Dc said no more individual character movies. The only reason why I say new 52 movie is her Va is the new 52.