So they are ex-spouses and have a child together
So they are ex-spouses and have a child together
I would argue that such stories may be even more appropriate for her given that she literally did come to change the world and could force submission but has the wisdom to seek true change.
The notion that strength and power are not as important to her deal ignores her well documented origins. Marston and Gaines are on record with the exact opposite stance. The consideration of the marriage of femininity and DOMINANT force was the inspiration that sparked her design.
The notion that she doesn't have feats rivaling--that is, equaling or surpassing Supes and otherz--is also false. To see those used to be an expensive time consuming endeavor but thanks to scanned books if one wants one can seek out that information.
That's something that could happen, but hasn't really been put into practice in the last 80 years. And for better or worse, the loving submission stuff isn't used much anymore. it's pretty much been all but abandoned and Diana never seems to struggle with how much she should or should not do with her power. Because her main arena for change is in diplomacy, which doesn't rely on her feats.
Wonder Woman just doesn't experience the same feelings of loneliness that Superman classically feels, a lot of which comes from him being the most powerful being on Earth and one of the last of his race (sometimes the only survivor). Diana isn't built for those kinds of stories, and I don't think most of her fandom would be interested in them at this point. It's not her.
Wonder Woman doesn't belong to Marston anymore, who didn't have a say in how Superman and the rest of the DCU operates in the first place.
And saying they are not quite as big of a deal to her as they are to Superman isn't the same as saying they aren't majorly important to her. Just not to the same extent, and not implemented in the same way.
I never said she doesn't have those feats. If she's not quite as strong as Superman, she usaully still pulls off comparable feats with the help of other skills.
You can also seek out the information of Superman's feats, which are consistently more powerful than hers, but the margins vary. But Superman being out there and slightly stronger than her doesn't impact her stories anyway, he isn't a regular feature in them nor should he be. She has enough problematic crap in her corner to worry about without the need to drag an unrelated character into it. Like the Wilson run did not portray her as consistently powerful (in terms of power and personality) as she should be but odds are very slim Superman factored into any of those creative decsions.
If they were to fight 10 times, I'd give each of them 5 victories for different reasons. Not that they should be fighting anyway
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Here is Gigana, Dr.Pysho and their kid
Here is what she looks like
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I never would've imagined that a Harley Quinn cartoon would have the best WW rogues gallery representation in outside media
Found a couple posts here from the first round of the "strength" discussion. I figure I expressed myself better in there and I feel like this discussion has taken too much of the thread already. So I'll post them again and call that my final word on the matter. At least for a while. And just so it's clear, I'm not trying to change minds here, I've just been enjoying the debate, so thanks to those who finally brought the push-back I was expecting the first time.
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
Agreed. I don't mind Superman being physically stronger and having his super senses over her, but Diana has none of his vulnerabilities plus better training and magic based weapons that roughly make her his equal. Now I can almost hear someone saying "but she's not invulnerable like he is" and to that the answer is she's not allergic to red sunlight or Kryptonite and doesn't get mind controlled every other week. Pound for pound she should win against him at least a third of the time and it's only not half because he's the undeniable editorially mandated Top Dog of the DC Universe.
Clark's not even "invulnerable" he's just really gods damn durable. But he can be hurt, it just takes a force equal to his own. Of which there are a whole lot in the DCU.
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
Giganta is underrated and should get more exposure. Her complicated relationship with Ryan Choi was also interesting and should return.
Ah, yeah that's a weird leftover from Marston, I think? One that a lot of writers ignore. This is inconsistent even by Diana's standards.
I always figured it was just more of Marston's weird sex commentary. Diana being vulnerable to penetration, and all that.
Her relationship with Ryan was the best thing about her. Fantastic dynamic, and it turned a one-note villain into a complex and interesting character you could actually be emotionally invested in.
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
Well he also didn't write her as being able to fight a Kryptonian. I think it's just that the original power list didn't have that.
This is one of those weird things. Writers seem to want to avoid making villains interesting lest they become more popular than the hero. But then the hero AND villain are boring. Harley is interesting, more interesting than Bat-murderer. Thus fans are happy to see her get a mini-series, regardless of whether it makes sense for someone who wasn't even a main character to get their own comic book.Her relationship with Ryan was the best thing about her. Fantastic dynamic, and it turned a one-note villain into a complex and interesting character you could actually be emotionally invested in.
Not a fan of Amazons or Wonder Woman´ island. It seems pretty unnecessary, it´d work better if Diana is (kinda cliche, but still) the last amazon or one of the few alive (I want Artemis, Cassie and Donna safe), really, Amazons always lose wars in comic book sagas, not only that, their philosophy is gross (about men hater, knowing they kill childs)