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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    What does being unable to fly or vulnerable to bullets add to her stories?
    It allows who to make use of her pre-existing iconography without feeling contrived. Thinks like deflecting Bullets with her bracelets and the invisible jet should be baked into her set up organically, there shouldn't be a need to justify them She flies in a plane because she can't fly under her own power. She deflects bullets because Bullets can hurt her

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    It allows who to make use of her pre-existing iconography without feeling contrived. Thinks like deflecting Bullets with her bracelets and the invisible jet should be baked into her set up organically, there shouldn't be a need to justify them She flies in a plane because she can't fly under her own power. She deflects bullets because Bullets can hurt her
    That isn't adding to stories, that's trying to justify outdated Silver Age elements because of "iconography". Neither the invisible jet nor the bullet deflecting add to the stories, they're just there because they're considered iconic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    That isn't adding to stories, that's trying to justify outdated Silver Age elements because of "iconography". Neither the invisible jet nor the bullet deflecting add to the stories, they're just there because they're considered iconic.
    They are in no way, shape, or form outdated. They make Diana stand out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    They are in no way, shape, or form outdated. They make Diana stand out.
    Her costume, her lasso, her (original) origin and Themyscira do that just fine and are a lot less dumb by comparison.

    And again, this isn't "adding to her stories".
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    And being Bullet proof and flying is just making her more generic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    And being Bullet proof and flying is just making her more generic
    Then why not ask for DC to make less heroes who can fly and are bulletproof? Why is this only an issue for Diana but not the dozens of other superheroes with those powers?

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    Because Diana has alternatives that are even better than being bullet proof and being able to fly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    Because Diana has alternatives that are even better than being bullet proof and being able to fly
    No she doesn't.

    The bracelets only work if the enemy is too dumb to keep shooting at her torso and not go for her legs and are useless if they decide to snipe her instead. These problems become non-existent if she's bulletproof.


    The jet has never been depicted as being any faster than any other superhero who can fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    No she doesn't.

    The bracelets only work if the enemy is too dumb to keep shooting at her torso and not go for her legs and are useless if they decide to snipe her instead. These problems become non-existent if she's bulletproof.


    The jet has never been depicted as being any faster than any other superhero who can fly.
    1. No, they aren't. Bullets don't move any faster when they're aimed at different places
    2. She doesn't need to be faster than other heroes, she just needs to be fast enough to get where she's going

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    1. No, they aren't. Bullets don't move any faster when they're aimed at different places
    There's still the issue of sniping. You can't block something when you don't see it coming.



    2. She doesn't need to be faster than other heroes, she just needs to be fast enough to get where she's going
    Flight under her own power accomplishes that. And also allows for her to better deal with airborne enemies without needing to run to the jet first.

    In fact, the Golden Age power of "gliding on air currents" was flight in all but name so the jet has always been redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    No she doesn't.

    The bracelets only work if the enemy is too dumb to keep shooting at her torso and not go for her legs and are useless if they decide to snipe her instead. These problems become non-existent if she's bulletproof.


    The jet has never been depicted as being any faster than any other superhero who can fly.
    With her super speed, blocking bullets should never be a problem no matter where they aim. Still i agree that being bulletproof is not and shouldn't be an obstacle for telling great WW stories. It's like saying Diana's power is a problem. While that doesn't seem to be the case with other powerhouses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    1. No, they aren't. Bullets don't move any faster when they're aimed at different places
    2. She doesn't need to be faster than other heroes, she just needs to be fast enough to get where she's going
    She needs to be hella fast because super speed has always been one of her powers. She doesn't need to be weak to bullets to have good stories or be unique. None of her best stories have been built around her vulnerability to bullets. Her ability to fly doesn't make her generic. There are still many other elements that set her apart from other characters with flight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlight25 View Post
    She needs to be hella fast because super speed has always been one of her powers. She doesn't need to be weak to bullets to have good stories or be unique. None of her best stories have been built around her vulnerability to bullets. Her ability to fly doesn't make her generic. There are still many other elements that set her apart from other characters with flight.
    She doesn't need to be bulletproof either. And since one of her most iconic visuals in deflecting bullets, the obvious answer is that she should be vulnerable to them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcogginsa View Post
    She doesn't need to be bulletproof either. And since one of her most iconic visuals in deflecting bullets, the obvious answer is that she should be vulnerable to them
    Not really, because she can use the bracelets either way. In fact, we rarely see her using her bracelets at all nowadays, as it's all about the shield now. Classic WW saw the whole bullets vs bracelets as a fun game played in her homeland. Not as a live or die type of situation. She can have reasons to use the bracelets while being bulletproof too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlight25 View Post
    Not really, because she can use the bracelets either way. In fact, we rarely see her using her bracelets at all nowadays, as it's all about the shield now. Classic WW saw the whole bullets vs bracelets as a fun game played in her homeland. Not as a live or die type of situation. She can have reasons to use the bracelets while being bulletproof too.
    And she should absolutely ditch the shield and go back to the bracelets

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