Wonder Woman Controversial Opinions Part 2

[Perseus]

Bullets are actually threatening to her. I don't understand how many times she has to be shot before that fact is acknowledged?

Yea, but, they shouldn't be. I can not wrap my head around this idea that Wonder Woman, amazon princess who is STRONGER THE HERAKLES and SWIFTER THAN HERMES, can be fell by a mere bullet. She dances around light and keeps pace with Superman but, Carl brought a 12 gauge so she's going down like a cow.

[Perseus]

A gun was pointed at her twice in the issue before the most recent one and it wassuspenseful. If she were truly invulnerable it wouldn't have been suspenseful at all. We've seen her shot multiple times on various occasions yet people still refuse to accept it. That's not the fault of writers or artists but readers.

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See, I look at these and I see some of the worse moments in WW history. Diana constantly battles Gods, aliens, monsters, and a whole host of unfathomable evils, suddenly Ares pulls out a 9mm and Diana dies. Do you not see how stupid that sounds?

Deva could have had some badass dagger or sword or any weapon created by the titans and the effect would be the same.

That armor seems worthless, she can get shot so easily you'd expect her to actually have some useful armor. local street level superhero, Batman, is over here laughing in his bulletproof suit.

The last one was the dumbest thing that has happened to her. Someone sat there and pend a scene in which a bullet ricochets off Superman's chest and hits Diana. It felt more like a mockery than a suspenseful moment.

Nothing here seems suspenseful. I look at this and feel tired, my eyes role back in my head, this is like trying to make the "Martha" scene in BVS hold any sort of merit. It looks like its trying to say something but, it takes itself to seriously and makes you want to laugh.

The only fault of the readers is suggesting that the PREMIERE female super hero in DC, whos creation was intended to be that of an equal to the most powerful man heroes, be treated in that regard.

[Perseus]

This is irrelevant because the proposal is to make it a magical weakness.

Magic or highly advanced alien tech or Magtech (magic/tech mix). I'm pretty sure New God tech is not classified as magic and I want that to harm or kill her.

[Perseus]

A suspenseful moment is like Medusa stabbing Diana in the back and Diana blinding herself with Medusa's snake venom to protect herself from her gaze. Its, Diana going toe to toe with a Bloodlusted, Mind controlled, Angry Superman whos holding nothing back and Diana needs to Bring him back to sanity. Its Diana nearly Dying in a Battle against Ares to prevent WW3. Its Diana surviving an assault from Zeus. Its her holding back the full, infinite power of Olympus with her bracelets.

Diana getting shot by and "killed" in a single bullet by canon fodder, street level villains feels cheap and forced. Nothing about that feels suspenseful.

[Perseus]

Instead of taking Diana's golden age, more street level characters and elevating them to were they are more of a threat to someone like Diana. The solution seems to be to keep them where they are and downgrade Diana to where she shouldn't even be cable of any of her most recognizable moments. While having everyone and their grandma be able to kill Diana.

[AmiMizuno]

The reason why she shouldn’t be bulletproof is because she would be too close to Superman and yet all other superheroes are already bulletproof. So what’s the point. Than again she no other real weakness. She has a high magical immunity. She is too slow? How she has faster reflexes. She has superhearing. I mean Superman has dealt with human villains. Diana’s real moments are when a villains ca. Take her by surprised. A bullet is a regular thing but should it. I mean does it match with her feats. That’s the issues all of her great feats yet don’t match her weakness. Be honest Diana has been stabbed multiple times yet didn’t die. Yet a bullet nearly kills her. I mean all pierce weapons are suppose to harm her. Yet only bullets now. There should be some consistency.

[AmiMizuno]

Also why should Diana be left out on upgrades? Aqua man was turned to bulletproof. You can’t really say that makes her a flying brick when all the others get it too. Batman is bulletproof. She gets shot goes through her. She can be shot but it shouldn’t kill her.

[AmiMizuno]

https://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-str...ce-league-men/

Wonder how long this will last

[Koriand'r]

Yea, but, they shouldn't be. I can not wrap my head around this idea that Wonder Woman, amazon princess who is STRONGER THE HERAKLES and SWIFTER THAN HERMES, can be fell by a mere bullet. She dances around light and keeps pace with Superman but, Carl brought a 12 gauge so she's going down like a cow.

Who's fault is that? It sounds like you want Marvel's Hercules or maybe Supergirl (neither of whom are more popular than Diana of Themyscira, Ambassador to Patriarch's World and Amazon Champion). This is Wonder Woman, she's different.

That's one of the many problems with the Daddy Zeus origin, she was fine as she was, godlike but not a goddess, operating outside the Olympians yet their better. Making her one of them as a lesser demigoddess is similar to turning Wonder Woman into a lesser Kryptonian by making her "invulnerable". It's a distinction she doesn't need.

She's already awesome.

[Jcogginsa]

The reason why she shouldn’t be bulletproof is because she would be too close to Superman and yet all other superheroes are already bulletproof.

No, it isn't. The reasons why Diana is better when she's bullet vulnerable have been articulated several times in this thread. Ignoring them to attack a strawman does not make your position better

So what’s the point. Than again she no other real weakness. She has a high magical immunity. She is too slow? How she has faster reflexes. She has superhearing. I mean Superman has dealt with human villains. Diana’s real moments are when a villains ca. Take her by surprised. A bullet is a regular thing but should it.

And if she's vulnerable to bullets, you can write stories where she's taken by surprise with them

I mean does it match with her feats. That’s the issues all of her great feats yet don’t match her weakness.

Which is why all of my ideas for explanations are about ways to explain that disparity. In them, Diana is not vulnerable to Bullets because Bullets are strong enough to hurt her, she's vulnerable to them because she has a conceptual weakness to them.

Be honest Diana has been stabbed multiple times yet didn’t die. Yet a bullet nearly kills her. I mean all pierce weapons are suppose to harm her. Yet only bullets now. There should be some consistency.

Because piercing weapons is too vague. If her weakness was piercing weapons, then Diana would be vulnerable to basically every weapon that is smaller than her own body. Any shape of weapon can pierce through something if given enough force.

And she'd be vulnerable to bombs, because of the shrapnel.

Vulnerabilities need to be simple enough to be used in a variety of ways, but not common enough to be omnipresent

Also why should Diana be left out on upgrades? Aqua man was turned to bulletproof. You can’t really say that makes her a flying brick when all the others get it too. Batman is bulletproof. She gets shot goes through her. She can be shot but it shouldn’t kill her.

Because Aquaman

a: Have biological powers rather than magical ones
b: Has other vulnerabilities to make use of.

[AmiMizuno]

What’s stopping Diana from getting a magical device that makes her bulletproof? I mean the same way it can explain it can also be taken care of. I mean she taken a bomb in the comics before and taken a bomb in the hand. Weakness to pierce weapons doesn't mean all the weapons will kill her. Just means they can make her bleed. Which means the bullets can do that. Make her bleed but not kill her right away. A one-shot kill should never happen. Also in Rucka, she did get shot multiple times but still kept standing until the headshot but survived to say it hurt. So I think we have the answer she can take multiple shots but the head is that one shot she needs to be careful for. It harms and hurts.


what I want to know

1. Do headshots and to the heart kill her quickly?

2. How does her healing factor work in this?
death.
Diana has been able to heal herself with no issues before. She was able to heal her arm. She was able to survive her arm being cut off. So one bullet to any place shouldn't cause death.

[WonderLight789]

Who's fault is that? It sounds like you want Marvel's Hercules or maybe Supergirl (neither of whom are more popular than Diana of Themyscira, Ambassador to Patriarch's World and Amazon Champion). This is Wonder Woman, she's different.

That's one of the many problems with the Daddy Zeus origin, she was fine as she was, godlike but not a goddess, operating outside the Olympians yet their better. Making her one of them as a lesser demigoddess is similar to turning Wonder Woman into a lesser Kryptonian by making her "invulnerable". It's a distinction she doesn't need.

She's already awesome.

WW hasn't been awesome in a while. Not with the way she has been treated. You showed evidence of that in 2 of the scans you posted. Not only she is not bulletproof. She can easily get tagged by bullets. At leat previous versions of the character that had that same weakness, actually were writen consisently with super speed far greater than bullets. While in rebirth. She gets shot multiple time. Where was her super speed in rebirth ruka or priest jl? The same woman that used to easily deal with speeding bullets while being blind, all of a sudden git shot because she couldn't react fast enough. That is bad writing at its finest. The bullets weakness nowadays is hurting her a lot. Everytime a writer creates a scene where she got shot. They don't even put effort into it. They just take away her skills and super speed to allow the bullets to tag her. She can be bulletproof and still face obstacles that truly challenge her. Green Lantern, aquaman etc have all evolved and overcame their weaknesses. Diana should be no exception.

[WonderLight789]

No, it isn't. The reasons why Diana is better when she's bullet vulnerable have been articulated several times in this thread. Ignoring them to attack a strawman does not make your position better

And if she's vulnerable to bullets, you can write stories where she's taken by surprise with them



Which is why all of my ideas for explanations are about ways to explain that disparity. In them, Diana is not vulnerable to Bullets because Bullets are strong enough to hurt her, she's vulnerable to them because she has a conceptual weakness to them.


Because piercing weapons is too vague. If her weakness was piercing weapons, then Diana would be vulnerable to basically every weapon that is smaller than her own body. Any shape of weapon can pierce through something if given enough force.

And she'd be vulnerable to bombs, because of the shrapnel.

Vulnerabilities need to be simple enough to be used in a variety of ways, but not common enough to be omnipresent



Because Aquaman

a: Have biological powers rather than magical ones
b: Has other vulnerabilities to make use of.

Nobody writes good stories around that weakness. all the writers that had her getting shot in rebirth. Literally took away her super speed so the bullets could hit her. Somebody that has been able to fly through a rain of speeding bullets, and even dealt with speeding bullets while blind. Could never get tagged in the embarrassing way that writers have been shooting her. Being bulletproof doesn't mean making her generic. A lot of good writing can still be achieved with a bulletproof WW. Good writing that hasn't been very present in WW comic for quite a while.

[AmiMizuno]

Yea. Superman has some great stories despite being bulletproof. Diana being blind and still being able to fight medusa. Fight blind and also how can we forget her in She-ra being able to deflect across the whole Dc universe. How do you explain that to just have her be weak to bullets? She has super healing and super speed. She has often spun around to have all areas pf herself protected.

[Koriand'r]

WW hasn't been awesome in a while. Not with the way she has been treated. You showed evidence of that in 2 of the scans you posted. Not only she is not bulletproof. She can easily get tagged by bullets. At leat previous versions of the character that had that same weakness, actually were writen consisently with super speed far greater than bullets. While in rebirth. She gets shot multiple time. Where was her super speed in rebirth ruka or priest jl? The same woman that used to easily deal with speeding bullets while being blind, all of a sudden git shot because she couldn't react fast enough. That is bad writing at its finest. The bullets weakness nowadays is hurting her a lot. Everytime a writer creates a scene where she got shot. They don't even put effort into it. They just take away her skills and super speed to allow the bullets to tag her. She can be bulletproof and still face obstacles that truly challenge her. Green Lantern, aquaman etc have all evolved and overcame their weaknesses. Diana should be no exception.

Devastation shot her waaaaaay before Rebirth, it was one of the reasons Devastation was so powerful. Despite her numerous abilities similar to Wonder Woman she pulled out a gun and fired just to show how much faster she was. There were extenuating circumstances each time she's been shot. Human gunmen don't have Devastation's speed blessing from the Titan Harrier "faster if for the kill". Team Poison distracted her by firing at her in one direction and having a lone sniper hit her from another angle. Wonder Woman's super speed and senses weren't a factor. In Justice League the bullet was a ricochet, again while she was distracted.

Superman and other Kryptonians are harmed by kryptonite, magic and red sunlight. They evolved in the other direction and actually have more vulnerabilities over time.