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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    I was alright with the WW movies killing off the Greek Pantheon (minus Ares, until the end) because I felt like they would have become a distraction.
    I didn't mind it either though I'd have preferred it if they gave Zeus being the last one standing to Athena or Aphrodite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    I didn't mind it either though I'd have preferred it if they gave Zeus being the last one standing to Athena or Aphrodite.
    Yeah, I would have preferred that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    I was alright with the WW movies killing off the Greek Pantheon (minus Ares, until the end) because I felt like they would have become a distraction.
    I thought it was missed opportunity for world building. You got to save something like that for a third movie so that literal Gods dying matters.

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    I think it is the story that Patty wanted to tell, and it is likely that after the third movie there will be a reboot, it is evident that the Gods have no place in Jenkins's vision, and that's ok for me.

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    The gods being alive would have been a good starting point for a potential WW3 storyline in which Circe somehow enhances her powers in such a deadly way that even the Olympian pantheon is at risk.

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    I don't know how much the dead Olympians and Zeus being her father was Patty's idea. Both seem to be things she was kind of stuck with as part of the larger shared DCEU arc that they had mapped out at the time, she just executed the first film in a way that balanced out that stuff with more traditional WW stuff.

    I don't think any story for WW3 really requires the Gods if the main focus will be on Circe, the Amazons and maybe a returning Cheetah. But their absence for the trilogy as a whole is a shame.

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    Killing the Gods was a bad move no matter how you play it in my eyes. Missed opportunities for character and story development. I'm not interested in an origin that doesn't involve Athena or Aphrodite or any of the patrons while only making Zeus responsible for everything and having Ares simply due to his basic origin starting villain role. Athena, Ares, and Aphro are the big 3 important Gods in my eyes.

    And please, I doubt Patty cared about having the Gods in her stories, but I feel like the only reason they were killed off was because Zach wanted Superman to be the only "true" God on earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    I don't know how much the dead Olympians and Zeus being her father was Patty's idea. Both seem to be things she was kind of stuck with as part of the larger shared DCEU arc that they had mapped out at the time, she just executed the first film in a way that balanced out that stuff with more traditional WW stuff.

    I don't think any story for WW3 really requires the Gods if the main focus will be on Circe, the Amazons and maybe a returning Cheetah. But their absence for the trilogy as a whole is a shame.
    Maybe Barbara uses those 2 PhDs and that doctorate she supposedly has to find Circe's island and beg her to grant her powers again..... Course that would require them to explain the Cheetah thing outside of being "an apex predator"
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    Zack Snyder had an important role in the creation of that Film Universe, but after seeing ZSJL where the Greek Gods have a role in the defeat of Darkseid, perhaps the idea of disappearing them is from some other executive instead of Patty, I don't know.
    I do remember Jenkins saying that in the case of WW84 about the proposition that the possible villain would have been the Duke of Deception, it was discarded since she did not want the involvement of another God for the second film.

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    IDK if this is even controversial but I absolutely hate what they did to Barbara and the Cheetah in WW84. Way to make a generic villain out of an interesting character because your busy juggling both her and Max for no reason. They should have just incorporated that stupid cursed dagger Nu52 origin for Cheetah on top of Barbara going off on an archeological exploration to "find a god" from Rucka's rebirth run. Just the dagger, not the secret cult Barbara or the multiple personas or Diana laughing at Barbara saying if it would be cool if she had powers thing.
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    Issues with some specifics aside, I think we should still be grateful for at least the first film. No adaptation ever adapts everything 100% the way we want it, and it got more right than it got wrong IMO. At least we finally got a solo WW film and it was very well received.

    I hate the Zeus thing, but I'm not gonna let it ruin all the good stuff between Diana/Hippolyta/Antiope in the beginning and the dynamic with Steve throughout the film, along with Gadot fitting the role.

    Quote Originally Posted by masterwitcher88 View Post
    And please, I doubt Patty cared about having the Gods in her stories, but I feel like the only reason they were killed off was because Zach wanted Superman to be the only "true" God on earth.
    That might be one of the reasons, and it is indeed a dumb one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterwitcher88 View Post

    And please, I doubt Patty cared about having the Gods in her stories, but I feel like the only reason they were killed off was because Zach wanted Superman to be the only "true" God on earth.
    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post

    That might be one of the reasons, and it is indeed a dumb one.
    I still can't get over that crucifix pose in MoS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterwitcher88 View Post

    And please, I doubt Patty cared about having the Gods in her stories, but I feel like the only reason they were killed off was because Zach wanted Superman to be the only "true" God on earth.


    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    Issues with some specifics aside, I think we should still be grateful for at least the first film. No adaptation ever adapts everything 100% the way we want it, and it got more right than it got wrong IMO. At least we finally got a solo WW film and it was very well received.

    I hate the Zeus thing, but I'm not gonna let it ruin all the good stuff between Diana/Hippolyta/Antiope in the beginning and the dynamic with Steve throughout the film, along with Gadot fitting the role.



    That might be one of the reasons, and it is indeed a dumb one.
    I know Snyder has his flaws and isn't very popular here but this theory has no basis to back it up and just feels like a desire to attribute malice were there is none. Especially since we don't even know if killing off the gods was his idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    I still can't get over that crucifix pose in MoS.
    Zach is definitely not know for his subtlety. He had that and the church scene that were very blatant about Clark basically being the second coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterwitcher88 View Post
    Zach is definitely not know for his subtlety. He had that and the church scene that were very blatant about Clark basically being the second coming.
    Yeah and none of this remotely proves he killed off the gods (assuming it was even his idea) because of Superman. This is just being paranoid.

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