clonand run isn't that good. I don't know what all the fuss is about . So far their run hasn't done anything revolutionay. Bringing back some classic characters is fine. But i fail to see how that makes this such an amazing run. I don't know where all the praise is coming from. So far to me the run has been very boring.
I intensely dislike the idea of Bruce and Diana being together.
Last edited by Gaius; 12-02-2021 at 10:39 AM.
I feel like its less that people think Batman and Wonder Woman should be a couple and more that people think Diana should be attracted to Bruce because he's Batman and ~allllllll~ women are attracted to Batman.
(though I am not dismissing that there there is a steady supply of WonderBat shippers out there)
~I just keep swimming through these threads~
I like WonderBat as long as Batman is more like Bronze Age self and WW is more like her George Perez incarnation.
I don't like it if it's about Batman talking down to Diana or something like that.
Do we have much actual examples of that combo though? When they started teasing them together in the comics, Bruce had (unfortunately) long moved past his Bronze Age self. And in the DCAU, they got Diana's character wrong in several ways and by that point, DCAU Bruce resembled his then-current comic self more than the bronze age (albeit, still much more tame and likeable).
Alan Moore's "think clean thoughts, chum" moment was pretty cute if it can be taken as an indicator that they hooked up on occasion. But that would be the extent of what I'd want out of them, just a few casual hook ups but nothing serious.
My controversial take of the day:
Trying to set Diana up as having been a hero since WW2 and the first superhero doesn't really do her any favors. It creates lots of nebulous questions about when she left the island, what's up with Steve, why did things continue as normal despite her being there, etc. The only thing it does is make her "important" and trying to turn her into who Superman was in real life, but it doesn't actually prop her up in a meaningful way. If you want her to have golden age adventures, just have her get stuck back in time for a while. She's immortal. They more or less did this with Hippolyta and it works better than "she was actually there in WW2 just don't think about anything else la la la we can't hear you okay present day."
Her being the first or having been around that long has impacted nothing. The world is unchanged. It's superficial and only there to try and make her seem important. She doesn't need it.
I don't care that she predates Superman, Batman, Alan and Jay or is being sold as the first superhero. I do care that it basically turns her internal narrative semi-radioactive in a way that reminds all too much of the Hawks. She had a pretty great origin story that didn't need mucking up, but lo, they did it anyway.
Jonah Hex and Blue Beetle. They just really wanted those books on the stands, and frankly, all three were quality.
You and everyone with taste.
That was certainly the opinion of the DCAU writing staff. Most the women fell in love with Bruce at some point. If Lois Lane and Diana weren't safe, you knew nobody was.
For the record, I don't think SuperWonder is much better. I do think Clark better matches with Diana (especially since modern Bruce has shifted further and further from someone Diana would actually care about as anything other than a friend), but I'd be fine never seeing either of them again.
I always took "think clean thoughts, chum" more as "Robin's going through puberty and Wonder Woman is one of Earth's most lovely ladies." Not much more. It's no different than when a regular character fawns over a hero in their own book and just an observation that makes sense for a young boy coming of age in that line of work where everyone dresses... well, like superheroes. It's going to happen.
Bruce is just politely telling him to knock it off because he gets it. I don't think that everyone in the JLA being attractive is lost on the members, they just respect each other and don't bring it up. It's not as if Oliver Queen is the only one who is going to find Dinah attractive or that they all don't recognize that the resident Flash probably has the most sculpted ass in the group. It's just not talked about... In polite company, at least.
There's no way someone hasn't talked about flipping a quarter off that scarlet keister.