Yeah. Kane just wanted to be rich and famous and was apparently willingly to cheat his partner to do so. Kinda funny how that guy over at Marvel was willing to do the same thing.
Yeah. Kane just wanted to be rich and famous and was apparently willingly to cheat his partner to do so. Kinda funny how that guy over at Marvel was willing to do the same thing.
Keep in mind that you have about as much chance of changing my mind as I do of changing yours.
Here's an opinion that everyone will hate me for.
I have no problems at all with Wonder Woman in a thong.
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Here's another controversial take that's a little less surface-level - I wish people would stop "straight-washing" all things Wonder Woman. The queerness inherent to her and her mythos makes her unique and creators shouldn't fetishize or hypersexualize lesbianism but that doesn't mean all things gay should be totally sanitized. It's a big reason why the demigod thing is so bleh (beyond it just being boring and derivative, which it is). I'm definitely not a purist about her origin - I loved how Legend of Wonder Woman played out and even though it's polarizing among fans I actually dug the Dead Earth origin - but just like how from a feminist perspective it means something that she doesn't draw her power from a man, from a queer perspective it means something that she wasn't born from a hetero relationship. I get that focusing on it too much is isolating to the average reader and I don't expect it to be at the forefront of every story, but as the rare reader who is neither straight nor a man it's cool that there's a powerful, non-niche character with sapphic DNA that isn't incidental or tokenized.
They've definitely made some progress there and I'm glad recent writers are exploring queer relationships/characters more with things like Aphrodite's nonbinary child in G. Willow Wilson's run and the multiple canon Amazon pairings in current continuity (e.g. Philippus and Hippolyta, Nubia and Io), but honestly...someone needs to give Diana a girlfriend already. I know Greg Rucka has been vocal about her bisexuality since his original run and I trust that he pushed for more than we got, but the lip service he paid to her having a girlfriend she left behind on Themyscira in Year One was about as satisfying as the inert flirtationship between her and Io in his original run.
Sidenote, this is beef I have with DCEU Wonder Woman. I like her overall, and I loved the first WW movie and the Diana/Steve pairing in it, but did they have to make her and the movie Amazons, like...Entourage levels of straight? Maybe I'm just still mad about the part of WW84 where she begs Steve to let her give up her powers to be with him and he has to convince her otherwise.
It sure didn't help where they did a big splash page in 2021's Queer Pride special and she was missing from it. They won't outright say Diana's not queer, but they do want to hide it and I suspect it's because they didn't want to anger China since they want to keep making Wonder Woman movies.
Of all the characters to omit from that promo splash page, Wonder Woman? When years prior she was on the cover to their Love is Love book? It definitely looked strange to this reader, and I'm a cis hetero white dude, so if I'm noticing it that means it's in 50 story bold font.
In a few short paragraphs you've really made me want to check out the Marston- era Wonder Woman. I've read a select few issues from the Siegel-Shuster Superman and the Kane-Finger Batman but I've never checked out the Golden Age Wonder Woman comics.
Do you think the richness of the Wonder Woman lore diminished when Marston left the title or was it a gradual decline?
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I've only read a few stories from the early years after Marston's death. From what I read it seems that initially Robert Kanigher was keeping the ambitious (and a bit silly) worldbuilding. And he even kept the Holliday Girls for another 3 years before they were abandoned altogether.
That said, I can't testify to how well he handled those themes in the early years. I'm guessing it was a gradual decline. To be clear, there were still cool ideas in the silver age, but they were just silly storiesm they didn't have any thematic weight (from what I've read).
There are various examples of Diana kissing women in elseworld stories since 1996. And Greg Rucka, one of the top 4 most acclaimed writers she has has already declared it in canon stories (suggested in Pre Crisis and absolutely affirmed in Rebirth). There are minor examples of other writers suggesting the same thing like in Justice League Task Force, Batwoman, etc.
Plus the obvious kinkyness of the Marston comics when she wouod play all those bondage and roleplaying games with the other amazons.
And most of all, the fact that she comes from a society of happy women and is all about love, which makes it very obvious why people are so enthusiastic of all the bisexual moments she has had.
It hasn't been explicit, but it is in fact canon per the Greg Rucka stories, and has been reinforced by many other allusions.