Would The Dark Knight have survived in this new era of Feminism

[Minerboh]

Ι didn't found anything offensive torward women, even remotely in the entire trilogy.

[bat39]

This reminds me of when Ryan Coogler, the Black Panther director, took a pot-shot at Iron Man, claiming that the movie wouldn't be as popular if it were released today because it had a white male lead who 'disrespected' women.

Honestly, the movie would have not only survived but thrived. Batman fans (diehard and casual), general audiences and critics would have loved the film. The media would have been all over it.

I guess the only difference is that maybe some of the more extreme feminist bloggers and commentators would make a big deal about Rachel being 'fridged'. And some other far-left commentators might offer other critiques about Batman being a 'rich white man' and whine about the movie justifying the War on Terror. But hardly enough to generate even noticeable negative publicity. And I'm pretty sure some of them were doing that back in 2008 anyway.

[mrbrklyn]

In 2008, it was easy to sweep this problem under the rug. In 2018,

There is very little difference between now and 2008, expect that there is a lot more pornography now and there is a shorter memory by the children in their 20's.

Culturally, everything is almost static.

This thread is just a lefthanded way of slipping politics into the comics forum.

[Tofali]

This reminds me of when Ryan Coogler, the Black Panther director, took a pot-shot at Iron Man, claiming that the movie wouldn't be as popular if it were released today because it had a white male lead who 'disrespected' women.

You're making stuff up mate. When did Coogler say this? source plz?

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You're making stuff up mate. When did Coogler say this? source plz?

We live in an age of google search, it's too hard to make things up now unless it's spun into something else.

“Think about where we are now, with this very vapid, unintelligent president and our world is crackling on the edges because of that. Think back to Tony Stark, him being douchey and being okay. If that character, Stark, was created in a movie today, I wonder if the response would be like, ‘Oh, it’s cool that he’s douchey and disrespectful to women … That’s fine.’ I think we’re at a different place. I think it’s a better place.”

[Hall]

Tom Cruise got her blackballed? Why, what did she say negative about Scientology?

Tom Cruise did not want her kissing and getting affectionate with other men, he also was the one that pressured her to pass on the role.

[Coin Biter]

This reminds me of when Ryan Coogler, the Black Panther director, took a pot-shot at Iron Man, claiming that the movie wouldn't be as popular if it were released today because it had a white male lead who 'disrespected' women.

Honestly, the movie would have not only survived but thrived. Batman fans (diehard and casual), general audiences and critics would have loved the film. The media would have been all over it.

I guess the only difference is that maybe some of the more extreme feminist bloggers and commentators would make a big deal about Rachel being 'fridged'. And some other far-left commentators might offer other critiques about Batman being a 'rich white man' and whine about the movie justifying the War on Terror. But hardly enough to generate even noticeable negative publicity. And I'm pretty sure some of them were doing that back in 2008 anyway.

For what it's worth, it doesn't seem to be Coogler who said that, but rather Joe Robert Cole, who co-wrote Black Panther with Coogler. It was said by someone prominently involved with Black Panther, of course.

I think Cole's wrong about that. I also think that The Dark Knight would have done in today's climate as well.

I do think people would have criticised it on the grounds of "fridging" Rachel, yes. Rather more to the point, I don't think she's a particularly interesting or well-written character - just a frankly sanctimonious foil, albeit well acted by Gyllenhaal. That's just an observation about the character as she appears to me in the film, rather than a political point.

[Carabas]

I do think people would have criticised it on the grounds of "fridging" Rachel, yes.

People certainly did so back when The Dark Knight first came out.

[Coin Biter]

People certainly did so back when The Dark Knight first came out.

Ah. Well I'm not surprised; 2008 is not exactly that long ago, after all. Rachel's not a particularly interesting character for my money in any event, any more than Sarah Borden or Olivia Wenscombe were in The Prestige.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

We live in an age of google search, it's too hard to make things up now unless it's spun into something else.

“Think about where we are now, with this very vapid, unintelligent president and our world is crackling on the edges because of that. Think back to Tony Stark, him being douchey and being okay. If that character, Stark, was created in a movie today, I wonder if the response would be like, ‘Oh, it’s cool that he’s douchey and disrespectful to women … That’s fine.’ I think we’re at a different place. I think it’s a better place.”

That’s an incredibly stupid statement then. It was less acceptebanle and conceivable to think Trump or someone life Jim could be President in 08 than it was now. Also James Bond has his greatest height of popularity since Connery in the 60’s in this era. Iron Man is still the premier Marvel character in film

[Agent Z]

What I still don't understand about Rises is why Talia slept with Bruce? You can make an argument that it was to gain his trust but it comes across as just giving her something to do.

The funny thing is Marion Cotillard is probably considered the most actory actress in all the films but she imo gave the worst performance out of all of the actresses in the films. Her death scene in particular is awful.

Why isn't her wanting to gain Bruce's trust enough of a reason?

[Osiris-Rex]

For what it's worth, it doesn't seem to be Coogler who said that, but rather Joe Robert Cole, who co-wrote Black Panther with Coogler. It was said by someone prominently involved with Black Panther, of course.

I think Cole's wrong about that. I also think that The Dark Knight would have done in today's climate as well.

I do think people would have criticised it on the grounds of "fridging" Rachel, yes. Rather more to the point, I don't think she's a particularly interesting or well-written character - just a frankly sanctimonious foil, albeit well acted by Gyllenhaal. That's just an observation about the character as she appears to me in the film, rather than a political point.

Eh, Bruce Wayne was meant to end up with Selina Kyle anyway. If Rachel had lived it would have interfered with that. Like "Why is Bruce dumping Rachel for a criminal?"

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Why isn't her wanting to gain Bruce's trust enough of a reason?

Meh, it's largely there for the plot twist that people saw coming rather than an actual plot reason is what I'm getting at.

[ed2962]

I didn't have a problem Rachel, but even if I accepted that she were an underdeveloped female character, I don't see that as leading to some massive backlash by so-called "feminists". Certainly not to the point where it would somehow hurt the movie's success.

Keep in mind, all sorts of movies, TV shows, and comics are still released these days that have underdeveloped female characters. #MeToo hasn't changed that ( not that that was the movement's purpose).

[bat39]

For what it's worth, it doesn't seem to be Coogler who said that, but rather Joe Robert Cole, who co-wrote Black Panther with Coogler. It was said by someone prominently involved with Black Panther, of course.

I think Cole's wrong about that. I also think that The Dark Knight would have done in today's climate as well.

I do think people would have criticised it on the grounds of "fridging" Rachel, yes. Rather more to the point, I don't think she's a particularly interesting or well-written character - just a frankly sanctimonious foil, albeit well acted by Gyllenhaal. That's just an observation about the character as she appears to me in the film, rather than a political point.

My bad! It was indeed Cole, and not Coogler.

Honestly, as much as I tremendously respect everyone involved in Black Panther, I remember this statement putting me off a bit. Its one thing to rightly take credit for truly bringing diversity to the superhero movie landscape and to encourage others to do the same. Its quiet another to take a potshot at the film and at the character which made it possible for you to make your own breakthrough.

Granted, he was just expressing his opinion, which he has every right too, and likely had no malicious intent. But I just felt a little put off by his statement.