Ι didn't found anything offensive torward women, even remotely in the entire trilogy.
Ι didn't found anything offensive torward women, even remotely in the entire trilogy.
This reminds me of when Ryan Coogler, the Black Panther director, took a pot-shot at Iron Man, claiming that the movie wouldn't be as popular if it were released today because it had a white male lead who 'disrespected' women.
Honestly, the movie would have not only survived but thrived. Batman fans (diehard and casual), general audiences and critics would have loved the film. The media would have been all over it.
I guess the only difference is that maybe some of the more extreme feminist bloggers and commentators would make a big deal about Rachel being 'fridged'. And some other far-left commentators might offer other critiques about Batman being a 'rich white man' and whine about the movie justifying the War on Terror. But hardly enough to generate even noticeable negative publicity. And I'm pretty sure some of them were doing that back in 2008 anyway.
There is very little difference between now and 2008, expect that there is a lot more pornography now and there is a shorter memory by the children in their 20's.
Culturally, everything is almost static.
This thread is just a lefthanded way of slipping politics into the comics forum.
We live in an age of google search, it's too hard to make things up now unless it's spun into something else.
“Think about where we are now, with this very vapid, unintelligent president and our world is crackling on the edges because of that. Think back to Tony Stark, him being douchey and being okay. If that character, Stark, was created in a movie today, I wonder if the response would be like, ‘Oh, it’s cool that he’s douchey and disrespectful to women … That’s fine.’ I think we’re at a different place. I think it’s a better place.”
Snowflakes melt in flame wars.
For what it's worth, it doesn't seem to be Coogler who said that, but rather Joe Robert Cole, who co-wrote Black Panther with Coogler. It was said by someone prominently involved with Black Panther, of course.
I think Cole's wrong about that. I also think that The Dark Knight would have done in today's climate as well.
I do think people would have criticised it on the grounds of "fridging" Rachel, yes. Rather more to the point, I don't think she's a particularly interesting or well-written character - just a frankly sanctimonious foil, albeit well acted by Gyllenhaal. That's just an observation about the character as she appears to me in the film, rather than a political point.
That’s an incredibly stupid statement then. It was less acceptebanle and conceivable to think Trump or someone life Jim could be President in 08 than it was now. Also James Bond has his greatest height of popularity since Connery in the 60’s in this era. Iron Man is still the premier Marvel character in film
I didn't have a problem Rachel, but even if I accepted that she were an underdeveloped female character, I don't see that as leading to some massive backlash by so-called "feminists". Certainly not to the point where it would somehow hurt the movie's success.
Keep in mind, all sorts of movies, TV shows, and comics are still released these days that have underdeveloped female characters. #MeToo hasn't changed that ( not that that was the movement's purpose).
My bad! It was indeed Cole, and not Coogler.
Honestly, as much as I tremendously respect everyone involved in Black Panther, I remember this statement putting me off a bit. Its one thing to rightly take credit for truly bringing diversity to the superhero movie landscape and to encourage others to do the same. Its quiet another to take a potshot at the film and at the character which made it possible for you to make your own breakthrough.
Granted, he was just expressing his opinion, which he has every right too, and likely had no malicious intent. But I just felt a little put off by his statement.