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    The Red Devil

    Ras al Ghul, rather than Batman, recruits Dick Grayson after the loss of the young acrobat's parents, and trains him to become his foremost agent. Using the guise of The Red Devil, Grayson eclipses even al Ghul's own daughter, Talia.

    Over the years, unaware that he is someone else's agent, Batman comes to regard The Red Devil as his greatest adversary. When al Ghul finally reveals himself, his attempt to murder Batman for refusing his offer of succession leaves Batman crippled. He survives only through The Red Devil's intervention.

    Grayson has learned to respect Batman, and is disillusioned by realizing he will never be more than Ras' tool. With Talia's help, he convinces Wayne to let him take over the role of Batman, and with his intimate knowledge of The Demon's inner workings, becomes a more terrible enemy than any Ras al Ghul has ever known.

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    Gotham: Redemption
    Joe Chill is spooked by young Bruce Wayne and empties his clip into the intense kid. Because of the attention the triple homicide receives Chill leaves Gotham for a few years. He also finds himself haunted by the fact he killed a kid. He returns to Gotham a changed man. He begins a war on crime as Redemption. Where possible he tries to get criminals to reform as he has, Among his successes are Oswald Cobblepot who uses his own criminal contacts to become Chill's informant, Selena Kyle who uses her thieving skills to help Chill get into various criminal safehouses, and Jonathan Crane whose chemical and psychological skills are put to good use. But there are some who refuse Chill's offer to go straight like the members of the Red Hood gang and they wind up dead.

    Superman: Truth and Consequences
    Reporter Lois Lane is rescued from a criminal hit by a man with unusual abilities (Bullet-proof, extraordinary strength …). Her editor thinks she has snapped. So Lois sets out to prove to him and the world that there is a Superman. Unfortunately she doesn't stop to think just what this revelation will mean for that man and the town where he grew-up.

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    Superman: Trust

    Set in an unspecified, but visually contemporary time, with multiple flashbacks to an undefined time that visually evokes a generic past (think of the design sensibilities of BATS).

    A grieving Joel Clark returns to his apartment from the funeral of Lois Lane, who died peacefully at age 79. The single greatest regret of his life is that, during all the years he lived under the name Clark Kent, he never told Lois that he loved her. Yet he dared not, he would never have been able to keep his secret from her had they become involved (nor does he think it would it have been right to), and she would never have stood on safely on the sidelines had she known he was Superman. Indeed, he mulls a number of times he triumphed only by dumb luck; the danger to her could only have been greater had they been together.

    Lois had stayed at The Daily Planet for several years after Clark had felt compelled to move on by the fact that he wasn't aging at the same rate as his colleagues. The cosmetics he used to simulate aging could only do so much. She had retired only 10 years ago, and lived out the rest of her life in Florida.

    A knock at the door proves to be his cousin, Supergirl, in the civilian guise she rarely uses anymore, Laura Lee Danvers. Supergirl had mainly used the disguise in the last decade to visit Lois in Florida. She's there to give Superman Lois' bequest to him: her diary.

    Reading it, Kal-el observes the first 30 years of Superman's career from a different point of view than his own.

    He learns that Lois had worked out his dual identity less than a year after they met ("I am a bloody investigative reporter after all!" one passage recounting his efforts to allay her suspicions fumes). Time and again, she had thrown others off the scent of his secret. Many of the desperate episodes he'd recalled earlier in the story are mentioned in her pages, only the "dumb luck" he'd credited was actually Lois surreptitiously throwing a spanner into his enemies' machinations. Many of the times he thought he'd fooled or tricked Lois turn out to have been her private joke on him.

    She'd been certain early on that Superman loved her, but she had long ago decided that she couldn't be with a man that wouldn't let her run her own risks in life. At the same time, she couldn't bring herself to love anyone else.

    The last page is directed to Superman explicitly, urging him not to mourn. Her life had been good, and full of adventure. She further hopes that he will let himself love again, as he has too much to offer to spend his life alone. But she also admonishes him to let others choose their own risks, because if someone is worth loving, they are worth trusting, and because the greatest adventures in life are shared.

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    What was the context of Timm's Gods and Monsters trinity?.
    Bruce Timm was asked to pitch a new JL series and was given the mandate to do something different than before. Around the same time the new 52 came out and he was dissapointed that they didn't go far enough.

    So he took inspiration from the switch of Golden age flash/green lantern to the silver age versions. He wanted to keep the name and gimmick but toss everything else out and start from scratch (kind of).

    So he decided to make Superman the son of Zod and raised by Mexican migrant workers. Batman was described as halfway between Zorro and Dracula so he focused on the dracula part choosing Man-bat. For Wonder Woman he wanted her to be Zeus's kid but decided on Bekka from the New Gods.

    I had thought of a few more ideas such as there being two flashes but neither are speedsters, the question is lex luthor jr, superman mentors a middle eastern refugee with magical powers, hawk and dove are Athena's twin sons etc.

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    I got another idea:

    DC - The Deluge

    Back in the 1940's, WWII wound up involving the Atlanteans, who were in the middle of a succession crisis. Things went crazy, and one violent faction of the Atlanteans managed to trigger a World Wide Super Flood to drown their surface world enemies and to pollute their undersea rivals. In the resulting chaos, upwards of 70% of the world's population, both surface and underwater, was wiped out.

    Think Waterworld, but not quite as devastating, with several cities and civilizations that don't go Mad Max but instead go steam punk or diesel punk in their stylings and technology. And just because there's a lot of water doesn't mean that ruling the waters equals ruling the world... There's still the sky, after all.

    - Metropolis is a literal City In The Sky, floating above the surface of the Earth with Bioshock Infinite-style science of hot air balloons and diesel-punk, Ray Gun Gothic, retro-futurism Art Deco going on for the aesthetics and sci-if side of the story. Lex Luthor's rivalry with Superman takes on a harder edge here, since Luthor's exploitation of Kryptonain technology has allowed the city to grow much, much larger at the expense of the bottled city of Kandor, which was stolen from Brainiac. Also, because the city circumnavigate the planet by traveling against the Earth's spin to stay in the sunlight, they also are the prime source for worldwide communication... Meaning that the Planet News organization is actually very important, so Clark's still employed, having impressed Perry White when the City floated over the Smallfry Fishing Platform.

    - The Gotham Cantons are a small but rich archipelago of islands, floating cities, and platforms, with the largest surface dweller population. The emphasis for their aesthetic is on the "Gothic" part of Raygun Gothic, and they even feature an underwater segment. There's mutants all over, since this is basically, on a good day, the best middle ground between the water and the surface (so it saw the earliest experiments to change surface dwellers), but with the rise of Metropolis (Ha!), the city's fallen on hard times. Giant mutant Bats dominate the night, so of course Batman uses them as camouflage and not just inspiration. Instead of the Batmobile, he has a submersible-seaplane.

    - Coast City is now occupied by Atlanteans, with Green Lantern being an amphibian version.

    - The Flash operates on the largest dry land area, which is basically a gigantic farmland with cities in giant, hanging garden-style towns in towering cylinders.

    - The Amazons have emerged from hiding because of the chaos, with acting as ambassadors to everyone, with Diana becoming their leader via the traditional contest, though now as Queen.

    - Aquaman's the main star, trying to unite the underwater kingdoms and undo the flooding, since it's messed up their entire ecosystem above and below water.
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    Green Lantern: The Spear of Destiny

    Set in a Generations-style environmemt.

    The world Abin Sur crashlands on is in the grips of tyranny. The Ultra-Humanite has managed to leverage the 1950s Red Scare into a different type of conquest, and holding The Spear of Destiny, has enslaved the most powerful of heroes. With them as his thralls, he's managed to dominate the planet. Only the new Green Lantern has a hope of defying his rule.

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    The Red Devil story sounds pretty cool. Pretty clear story trajectory with good character elements.

    Quote Originally Posted by godisawesome View Post
    I got another idea:

    DC - The Deluge

    Back in the 1940's, WWII wound up involving the Atlanteans, who were in the middle of a succession crisis. Things went crazy, and one violent faction of the Atlanteans managed to trigger a World Wide Super Flood to drown their surface world enemies and to pollute their undersea rivals. In the resulting chaos, upwards of 70% of the world's population, both surface and underwater, was wiped out.

    Think Waterworld, but not quite as devastating, with several cities and civilizations that don't go Mad Max but instead go steam punk or diesel punk in their stylings and technology. And just because there's a lot of water doesn't mean that ruling the waters equals ruling the world... There's still the sky, after all.

    - Metropolis is a literal City In The Sky, floating above the surface of the Earth with Bioshock Infinite-style science of hot air balloons and diesel-punk, Ray Gun Gothic, retro-futurism Art Deco going on for the aesthetics and sci-if side of the story. Lex Luthor's rivalry with Superman takes on a harder edge here, since Luthor's exploitation of Kryptonain technology has allowed the city to grow much, much larger at the expense of the bottled city of Kandor, which was stolen from Brainiac. Also, because the city circumnavigate the planet by traveling against the Earth's spin to stay in the sunlight, they also are the prime source for worldwide communication... Meaning that the Planet News organization is actually very important, so Clark's still employed, having impressed Perry White when the City floated over the Smallfry Fishing Platform.

    - The Gotham Cantons are a small but rich archipelago of islands, floating cities, and platforms, with the largest surface dweller population. The emphasis for their aesthetic is on the "Gothic" part of Raygun Gothic, and they even feature an underwater segment. There's mutants all over, since this is basically, on a good day, the best middle ground between the water and the surface (so it saw the earliest experiments to change surface dwellers), but with the rise of Metropolis (Ha!), the city's fallen on hard times. Giant mutant Bats dominate the night, so of course Batman uses them as camouflage and not just inspiration. Instead of the Batmobile, he has a submersible-seaplane.

    - Coast City is now occupied by Atlanteans, with Green Lantern being an amphibian version.

    - The Flash operates on the largest dry land area, which is basically a gigantic farmland with cities in giant, hanging garden-style towns in towering cylinders.

    - The Amazons have emerged from hiding because of the chaos, with acting as ambassadors to everyone, with Diana becoming their leader via the traditional contest, though now as Queen.

    - Aquaman's the main star, trying to unite the underwater kingdoms and undo the flooding, since it's messed up their entire ecosystem above and below water.
    I would love to read this!

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    This is still in the early stages in my head but I think it would be cool to see the big five in a story as siblings who work together and get into adventures without super powers. It would be very personality based and focus on how the different personalities bounce off each other while fighting crime and getting hi jinks with their unique skills as well.

    First you have Clark. The oldest brother. He is the leader and the responsible one. He is the one who usually gets the group pulled into the shenanigans by his drive to help people and right wrongs when he sees them. Also sometimes he can get too focused and let his want to do good stop him from thinking before he jumps into situations. Sometimes he can be a bit too stubborn as well. Clark is 6'4 and very well built he is the muscle of the group and his physic alone helps people look up to him.

    The second brother is Bruce. He has second child syndrome. He is pretty much the opposite of Clark , maybe intentionally to contrast himself. He is the smart one but very anti social. He doesn't usually want to get involved and just wants to be left alone. Moody often. He respects Clark and ultimately follows him but begrudgingly. But his knowledge in science and in general is invaluable. Usually the one to get the info needed or infiltrate. Very lean and has no unique physical capabilities.

    Diana the middle child. Diana is the peacekeeper she gets along with everyone and keeps them focused and all these different personalities together. She is very compassionette and has great people skills. If they need to make contact with some people or group they send her. She brings Bruce out of his shell and he usually helps them because she convinces him. She is a great fighter and is a martial artist. When Clark gets tunnel vision and too focused she is able to bring him back to earth and makes him see the big picture.

    Hal is the fourth brother and the wild child and rebel. He, like Clark, is the first to jump into a situation without thinking but for different reasons and with a very different attitude. Always up for an adventure and a thrill. While Clark only gets involved because he feels a responsibility and Bruce doesn't want to get involved at all, Hal is very excited and happy to get involved with these adventures and is upbeat. Very charming and charasmatic. Generally gets along with Clark, butts heads with Bruce as they are pretty much opposites, and although Diana generally keeps the siblings under control she has the hardest time with Hal. Besides for his ambitious personality and great amount of will Hal is a very good mechanic and driver of vehicles. Primarily planes. A pretty good Daredevil as well.

    Wally the fifth and youngest brother of the group. Wally is the most light hearted of the group and knows how to put a smile on everyone's face. Even Bruce's every once in awhile. Very much looks up to Hal, being the brother directly above him he is the most influenced by him. Also upbeat and eager to jump into the fray. Although Wally is not really into it for the thrill but rather just because of his boundless energy and not thinking before he acts. Also dabbles in mechanics, again influenced by Hal, but is focused more on cars than planes. Very athletic and agile as well as charming with his boyish and mischeveous personality.

    they are called DC. The Detective Club.

    I'm not sure if they are kids or adults. Like I said it's still in the very early stages but I would love to see something like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WallyWestFlash View Post
    This is still in the early stages in my head but I think it would be cool to see the big five in a story as siblings who work together and get into adventures without super powers. It would be very personality based and focus on how the different personalities bounce off each other while fighting crime and getting hi jinks with their unique skills as well.

    First you have Clark. The oldest brother. He is the leader and the responsible one. He is the one who usually gets the group pulled into the shenanigans by his drive to help people and right wrongs when he sees them. Also sometimes he can get too focused and let his want to do good stop him from thinking before he jumps into situations. Sometimes he can be a bit too stubborn as well. Clark is 6'4 and very well built he is the muscle of the group and his physic alone helps people look up to him.

    The second brother is Bruce. He has second child syndrome. He is pretty much the opposite of Clark , maybe intentionally to contrast himself. He is the smart one but very anti social. He doesn't usually want to get involved and just wants to be left alone. Moody often. He respects Clark and ultimately follows him but begrudgingly. But his knowledge in science and in general is invaluable. Usually the one to get the info needed or infiltrate. Very lean and has no unique physical capabilities.

    Diana the middle child. Diana is the peacekeeper she gets along with everyone and keeps them focused and all these different personalities together. She is very compassionette and has great people skills. If they need to make contact with some people or group they send her. She brings Bruce out of his shell and he usually helps them because she convinces him. She is a great fighter and is a martial artist. When Clark gets tunnel vision and too focused she is able to bring him back to earth and makes him see the big picture.

    Hal is the fourth brother and the wild child and rebel. He, like Clark, is the first to jump into a situation without thinking but for different reasons and with a very different attitude. Always up for an adventure and a thrill. While Clark only gets involved because he feels a responsibility and Bruce doesn't want to get involved at all, Hal is very excited and happy to get involved with these adventures and is upbeat. Very charming and charasmatic. Generally gets along with Clark, butts heads with Bruce as they are pretty much opposites, and although Diana generally keeps the siblings under control she has the hardest time with Hal. Besides for his ambitious personality and great amount of will Hal is a very good mechanic and driver of vehicles. Primarily planes. A pretty good Daredevil as well.

    Wally the fifth and youngest brother of the group. Wally is the most light hearted of the group and knows how to put a smile on everyone's face. Even Bruce's every once in awhile. Very much looks up to Hal, being the brother directly above him he is the most influenced by him. Also upbeat and eager to jump into the fray. Although Wally is not really into it for the thrill but rather just because of his boundless energy and not thinking before he acts. Also dabbles in mechanics, again influenced by Hal, but is focused more on cars than planes. Very athletic and agile as well as charming with his boyish and mischeveous personality.

    they are called DC. The Detective Club.

    I'm not sure if they are kids or adults. Like I said it's still in the very early stages but I would love to see something like this.
    I've never thought of them as siblings but the way you ordered them makes absolute perfect sense. I think Barry would fit as well as Wally and might slot in better as a "founding member" but Wally particularly as a youngest child who puts a smile on everyone's face is pretty perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WallyWestFlash View Post
    This is still in the early stages in my head but I think it would be cool to see the big five in a story as siblings who work together and get into adventures without super powers. It would be very personality based and focus on how the different personalities bounce off each other while fighting crime and getting hi jinks with their unique skills as well.
    I think this is a really fun idea and I'd love to see it in some form. One minor suggestion for Clark - maybe he can be adopted? Just to keep that aspect of his narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j9ac9k View Post
    I think this is a really fun idea and I'd love to see it in some form. One minor suggestion for Clark - maybe he can be adopted? Just to keep that aspect of his narrative.
    If all of them but Wally are adopted, it hangs onto a component of all of their narratives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning Rider View Post
    I've never thought of them as siblings but the way you ordered them makes absolute perfect sense. I think Barry would fit as well as Wally and might slot in better as a "founding member" but Wally particularly as a youngest child who puts a smile on everyone's face is pretty perfect.
    Thanks. I actually like Wally better in there and think he would add more than Barry and more of a different dynamic.

    Quote Originally Posted by j9ac9k View Post
    I think this is a really fun idea and I'd love to see it in some form. One minor suggestion for Clark - maybe he can be adopted? Just to keep that aspect of his narrative.
    That's a good idea about Clark. My ideas core aspect is having them as siblings but with Clark it might be a good idea just for him to be adopted.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    If all of them but Wally are adopted, it hangs onto a component of all of their narratives.
    I do want to incorporate as much of their source material as possible and did think about having them all adopted like New 52 Shazam but I think the biggest hook of it being so different is having them all as siblings and having them related by actual blood gives it a cool dynamic.
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    I also have in my head what they wear and look like.

    Clark pretty much looks like he does on Smallville. Practical work boots, Jeans, a button down shirt, sometimes flannel but not always. Not too messy but a bit unkempt. They look worked in. His hair is also a bit long and unkept but too crazy. A cross between country farm boy and a conservative dress.

    Bruce I have a very specific look for. He's skinny and tall. A black turtleneck. Black dress pants. Dressed all in black basically. Very messy hair with bangs that covers his eyes partially. And kinda pale.

    Diana dresses practical but also stylish. Jeans, nice jacket. Pony tail usually.

    Hal dresses as a cool rebel. Fancy leather jacket. Sunglasses. Boots. Hal would totally pull up in a motorcycle with his shades looking like Mr Cool.

    Wally would dress like a teenager but not too stylish. T shirt, jeans, ect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WallyWestFlash View Post
    I also have in my head what they wear and look like.

    Clark pretty much looks like he does on Smallville. Practical work boots, Jeans, a button down shirt, sometimes flannel but not always. Not too messy but a bit unkempt. They look worked in. His hair is also a bit long and unkept but too crazy. A cross between country farm boy and a conservative dress.

    Bruce I have a very specific look for. He's skinny and tall. A black turtleneck. Black dress pants. Dressed all in black basically. Very messy hair with bangs that covers his eyes partially. And kinda pale.

    Diana dresses practical but also stylish. Jeans, nice jacket. Pony tail usually.

    Hal dresses as a cool rebel. Fancy leather jacket. Sunglasses. Boots. Hal would totally pull up in a motorcycle with his shades looking like Mr Cool.

    Wally would dress like a teenager but not too stylish. T shirt, jeans, ect.
    Yep that's what I'd imagine. What a fun concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning Rider View Post
    Yep that's what I'd imagine. What a fun concept.
    Thanks.
    Still needs some more work though.
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