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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerbee911 View Post
    Ugh that is so disappointing I didn't remember that they had this dope complex story and they go "nah" let just give her the ninja stuff and the body. Psylocke having to deal with memories and life that aren't hers is amazing set up. I kinda realize for me now imo what was missing from Psylocke life. Psylocke having to interact with Kwannon Family(friends) and maybe that family over time growing to accept her as family is interesting angle. Well opportunity missed I think giving Psylocke some of those memories would give her that connection to other half of her and at least for me seem less like a British woman inhabiting a asian womens body. Of course hindsight is 20/20 they could have handle this story so much better.
    Exactly. Though truthfully if they weren't reverting her this is a story they still could have told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboTaj View Post
    Rachel Dolezal is physically white. Her body is that of a caucasian woman with no known african ancestry. She was a white woman pretending she was physically black. Psylocke was physically asian. Post-transfer, she actually physically lived in an asian body hence the distinction. There was no pretending. So if you live in an asian body and the world sees and treats you like an asian... are you not then asian?
    There's no distinction. there's nothing internally different in an Asian body. The world saw an an Asian woman when they looked at Betsy and saw a black woman when they looked at Rachel. if you saw Betsy walking down the street you wouldn't think "Hmm i bet that's an upper class British womans mind in that Asian body and if you had seen Rachel before the news coverage with her family you wouldn't think the mom is in BlackFace Really the only distinction is Rachel voluntarily donned another race and became deeply embedded in that culture whereas Betsy was forced to switch and seemed to only embrace kimonos and high kicks

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    Firestar. Throw her through the siege perilous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroHomo View Post
    There's no distinction. there's nothing internally different in an Asian body. The world saw an an Asian woman when they looked at Betsy and saw a black woman when they looked at Rachel. if you saw Betsy walking down the street you wouldn't think "Hmm i bet that's an upper class British womans mind in that Asian body and if you had seen Rachel before the news coverage with her family you wouldn't think the mom is in BlackFace Really the only distinction is Rachel voluntarily donned another race and became deeply embedded in that culture whereas Betsy was forced to switch and seemed to only embrace kimonos and high kicks
    There is a distinction though... in that Rachel was actually white pretending to be black. Psylocke wasn't pretending. She was physically asian. I say this respectfully but if you are not willing the acknowledge the distinction then there is a willing lack of nuance to the conversation. If you live for decades in an asian body... you'll deal with what it means to be discriminated as an asian. The fact that Psylocke "only embraced kimonos and high kicks" leads me to bring up two points:

    1.) Orientalism/fetishism on the part of the writers and artists. However, I personally don't put that on the character. I place that criticism on the creative teams who fetishized her outward appearance and lacked the ability to understand the rich story-telling potential about what it means to have a complex racial, ethnic and cultural identity.

    2.) There is also a problematic underlying aspect inherent in your point. And that is to be truly asian one must act a certain way or like certain things. An asian who was born and raised by a white family in a white community is no less an asian than someone who was born and raised in Japan. It's just a different asian experience. We as asians have no obligation to act in a certain way in order for others to accept us as being sufficiently asian. There is no "right" way to be asian. The mere fact that we are physically asian qualifies us to be asians.

    I've already written a ton about Psylocke and asian identity over the various Psylocke-related threads the past few days... It's too draining to continue doing so lol I just want to go back to being a lurker But if you go back and read some of my posts you will see my explanations about how I have always connected with Psylocke as I am an asian/caucasian mix with a weird ethnic and cultural background. Psylocke's own convoluted identity is relatable to those of us who's identities seem to make people uncomfortable because we cannot be put into neat and tidy little boxes. I just think its funny how people are telling me that I as an asian cannot claim Psylocke as representative of my asian experience.

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    Probably Jubilee or Karma. Maybe Surge if people remember she exists.

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    I wore a Jubilee t-shirt (the one where she is posing like the Morton Salt girl) to my local Pride this summer. To say that some people recognized Jubilee on my shirt would be an understatement. I literally lost track of the amount of people that:
    - shouted, “Jubilee!!” “Sweet omg is that Jubilee?!” “Awesome Jubilee shirt, heck yeah!!”
    - stopped me to give me a high five or hug for the sole reason of having a Jubilee shirt...
    - followed me to get a better look and take a picture of my shirt and talk about her as a character.

    A similar situation happened at comic con a few years ago. I even was handed free comic books with Jubilee on the cover, or given free Jubilee comic art from the artists...

    So yeah, my answer would be an obvious Jubilee. Even though I like Karma, I don’t think I would have had people stop me to talk about the shirt at all. Both are great characters... but Jubilee is much more recognizable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilees_bf View Post
    I wore a Jubilee t-shirt (the one where she is posing like the Morton Salt girl) to my local Pride this summer. To say that some people recognized Jubilee on my shirt would be an understatement. I literally lost track of the amount of people that:
    - shouted, “Jubilee!!” “Sweet omg is that Jubilee?!” “Awesome Jubilee shirt, heck yeah!!”
    - stopped me to give me a high five or hug for the sole reason of having a Jubilee shirt...
    - followed me to get a better look and take a picture of my shirt and talk about her as a character.

    A similar situation happened at comic con a few years ago. I even was handed free comic books with Jubilee on the cover, or given free Jubilee comic art from the artists...

    So yeah, my answer would be an obvious Jubilee. Even though I like Karma, I don’t think I would have had people stop me to talk about the shirt at all. Both are great characters... but Jubilee is much more recognizable.
    Awesome! I love when people comment on my comic/movie/TV themed t-shirts (currently rocking a Stranger Things related t-shirt). Whenever I go to comic con, I just buy shirts and talk to a few celebrities. Buying comics are an afterthought, strangely lol. But yeah, Jubes will probably get a push. She and Rogue were my favorites in the 90s FOX cartoon. I took to Jubes because she was a kid like I was at the time.

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    I initially liked Jubilee for the same reason, but grew to learn more about her through the comics... not long and she became my favorite comic hero
    Stranger Things is amazing, btw!

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    Sounds like an awesome shirt. Jubilee is definitely the most popular Asian character, but ninja-psylocke is probably still sticking around and who get used more will depend, as always, on who's writing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilees_bf View Post
    I wore a Jubilee t-shirt (the one where she is posing like the Morton Salt girl) to my local Pride this summer. To say that some people recognized Jubilee on my shirt would be an understatement. I literally lost track of the amount of people that:
    - shouted, “Jubilee!!” “Sweet omg is that Jubilee?!” “Awesome Jubilee shirt, heck yeah!!”
    - stopped me to give me a high five or hug for the sole reason of having a Jubilee shirt...
    - followed me to get a better look and take a picture of my shirt and talk about her as a character.

    A similar situation happened at comic con a few years ago. I even was handed free comic books with Jubilee on the cover, or given free Jubilee comic art from the artists...

    So yeah, my answer would be an obvious Jubilee. Even though I like Karma, I don’t think I would have had people stop me to talk about the shirt at all. Both are great characters... but Jubilee is much more recognizable.
    Yep, Jubilee is definitely the most recognizable Asian X-men, even after several years of next to no love from post XTAS adaptations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilees_bf View Post
    I initially liked Jubilee for the same reason, but grew to learn more about her through the comics... not long and she became my favorite comic hero
    Awesome! The first time I bought a comic book was during OZT and got to know the comic version of Jubilee when she had just escaped from Bastion and ran into Logan in the desert. It was a heartfelt, touching moment even for someone who only knew of the 90s cartoon.

    Stranger Things is amazing, btw!
    Agreed!!

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    Jubilee is the obvious answer though I still stan for Karma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboTaj View Post
    There is a distinction though... in that Rachel was actually white pretending to be black. Psylocke wasn't pretending. She was physically asian.
    But you couldnt tell Rachel wasnt black tho she lived her life as a black woman there's no real world correlation for Psylockes situation The mind of a British upper class white lady was placed in the body of an Asian superhero with all her memories intact and now she's all Kimonos and katanas reads a bit icky its akin to a Irish girl waking up in the body of a Brown Guys body in the Bronx and being great at basketball wearing baggy clothes and getting gold teeth Rachel believes race is a social construct, she taught African studies at a college and was even the president of her chapters NAACP
    Quote Originally Posted by TurboTaj View Post
    I say this respectfully but if you are not willing the acknowledge the distinction then there is a willing lack of nuance to the conversation. If you live for decades in an asian body... you'll deal with what it means to be discriminated as an asian.
    Has it been decades for 616 Betsy tho? You dont think Rachel dealt with discrimination as a "black" woman? She has a black husband and 2 black kids which comes with all sorts of difficulties you don't think a person "pretending" and dealing with that deserves more credit than someone who seemingly only takes the stereotypical "highlights" of a culture?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurboTaj View Post
    The fact that Psylocke "only embraced kimonos and high kicks" leads me to bring up two points:

    1.) Orientalism/fetishism on the part of the writers and artists. However, I personally don't put that on the character. I place that criticism on the creative teams who fetishized her outward appearance and lacked the ability to understand the rich story-telling potential about what it means to have a complex racial, ethnic and cultural identity.
    well i agree with you on all this

    Quote Originally Posted by TurboTaj View Post
    2.) There is also a problematic underlying aspect inherent in your point. And that is to be truly asian one must act a certain way or like certain things. An asian who was born and raised by a white family in a white community is no less an asian than someone who was born and raised in Japan.
    I don't think i raised an issue or stated that i believe Asians should behave in any certain way. If that's the you got im sorry that's toootally not where i was going

    Quote Originally Posted by TurboTaj View Post
    It's just a different asian experience. We as asians have no obligation to act in a certain way in order for others to accept us as being sufficiently asian. There is no "right" way to be asian. The mere fact that we are physically asian qualifies us to be asians.
    Yeah im not saying it is, its annoying i still have people comment how i "defy" their notions of a black dude and/or a gay guy and/or a southern Im well aware of the cultural obligations society puts on minorities and tend to ignore them

    Quote Originally Posted by TurboTaj View Post
    I have always connected with Psylocke as I am an asian/caucasian mix with a weird ethnic and cultural background. Psylocke's own convoluted identity is relatable to those of us who's identities seem to make people uncomfortable because we cannot be put into neat and tidy little boxes. I just think its funny how people are telling me that I as an asian cannot claim Psylocke as representative of my asian experience.
    Im not saying you cant not at all. Who am i to stand in.the way of someone's enjoyment of an entertainment outlet i also enjoy.
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    Has anyone mentioned Jia Jing?? AKA Sprite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsan52 View Post
    Has anyone mentioned Jia Jing?? AKA Sprite?
    I have to confess that the bulk of my experience with Sprite was in the background of Strain’s GenX, where she formed the considerably nicer-looking half of Splob.

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