Charles has rarely been this overtly ruthless. Most of the "bad things" he's done has been through retcons added years after the fact. X is not consistent with the personality of Charles as he was written in the past but the changes done to him in Soule's run can account for that. This version is one that has learned nothing from past mistakes and is continuing down a dark path
"Good" Xavier killed his sister and perved on a minor. He's always been terrible. All Emma did was kill a horse and some people who didn't give damn about how their existence was a literal agent for the genocide of a whole species. It's not like she killed a planet of broccoli people or anything. Kindly keep her out of your narrative.
CBR.com, The Most Important X-Men Missing From Marvel’s Disassembled Teaser
... Writer Charles Soule and a bevy of artists brought Professor X back from the dead in Astonishing X-Men, but with an interesting twist: Fantomex agreed to switch places with Xavier and stay behind in the astral plane, allowing Professor X’s consciousness to inhabit Fantomex’s body. So Charles Xavier is back and going by the name of X, but his personality isn’t the same as when he was initially alive. It’s unclear if Fantomex’s personality is rubbing off on Xavier, but right now he hasn’t proved himself to be totally trustworthy, even going so far as to erase the minds of the Astonishing X-Men team so they would forget he has returned. ...
No I'm not. I don't understand why Emma and Magneto are given passes while Xavier is not. So what if they're trying to do better? The "better" of Emma and Magneto is still worse than the "worse" of Charles . People here are saying that it's because Emma and Magneto are honest about their terribleness while Xavier is not. Therefore, Xavier should be given a pass if he's honest with himself about his terribleness.
Yes they've been done through retcons added years after the fact but that's Marvel for you. Their version of "character development". It's canon now that he's always been shady.
I don't think Xavier was imprisoning his fellow mutants into re-education camps in New Tian or working with Bastion and Miss Sinister to infect mutants with the mothervine formula. Oh but I forgot that was all for the benifit of mutantkind. Everything Emma does is for the betterment of mutants. She is not manipulative, conniving, vindictive and spiteful at all. She's a saint and Xavier is the devil. What a joke.
Both characters have done terrible things but are essentialy good people. It's just that comicbook writers want drama.
At one point or another all characters have done or will do bad things, even good guys like Wolverine, Jean and Cyclops (clearly the most notable case). I don't even like Emma but that doesn't mean she is a monster and the same goes for Xavier.
That Abomination is not Xavier.
Attention Soule, it’s a failure.
Please have Logan gut him, real soon. Kthanksbye.
Wouldn't you want Betsy and Warren on UXM or another X-Men title Post-Disassemble? And idk, I think grouping them with X just means they'd be the morally compromised X-Men, and that's a bit of a tired concept, especially in regards to Archangel.
They don't "get a pass". I certainly haven't said that, and I can't find anyone else saying as much either. They've both done committed horrible acts in their time, and they've atoned for most of them. Xavier always reminded me of a politician- and that's not a compliment. And I think your logic there is flawed, why would him becoming even worse help win favor? As for a Xavier/Magneto/Emma Frost trinity, they're too alike in their stubbornness and self-motivation to work together. Not to mention the numerous occassions they've been at odds in the past.
Agreed; lots of interesting craft here.
lol!
Exactly. This is classic Xavier, magnified a bit, but I don't think many people have actually read the original run enough to understand him. Xavier was mindwiping whole towns left and right, putting the kids through hoops on fire and grading them. Very harsh, very pragmatic. And he wasn't some old, kind grandpa either. He was 10 years after the war. It's explicitly stated, and if you work in his later background history of going to college early and his relationship with Moira, it works out that he would have only been in his early 30's in the original run. Even Morrison had him as only "41" when he was dying in his run. Patrick Stewart's version skewed comic Xavier much older than he was originally presented.
Hmm. The devil is in the details...
And people are saying X is ruthless!
I get some of this sentiment, but overall, good X-Men stories always have some darkness in there. That's really what made the 90's TAS so cool, it was a kid's show, but it was also critical and suspicious of the military industrial system, confronted slavery and genocide, dealt with prejudice and oppression. I do think the last 15 years of the franchise have erred too far into the darkness, and leaned into a lot of lazy violence and shock and awe tactics instead of actually carefully cultivating moving stories, but there must always be a balance. In the end, X did stop an alien from taking over the world, even if we are still left with this messed up world.
It didn't quite work. There's a place for something like that, but the execution was a bit off.
lol, for real!
Hear hear!
Again, refer back to the original run, please and thank you. Maybe you only saw the Fox-Men movies, but Xavier was introduced as a strict, pragmatic disciplinarian, a war veteran, and was unapologetic in his dealings, no matter what they may be.
Amen.
That part doesn't count! lol
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Let the flames destroy all but that which is pure and true!
I'm not really going to say who i consider worse beetween Xavier, Magneto and Emma (they are pretty crappy people as far as i'm concerned), but Xavier did admit in Claremont's run around Uncanny X-Men 150 that him and Erik weren't so different from eacth other, even if the 2000s had gone to far in that side of his charactherization.