Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 61
  1. #31
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    34,004

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsChi View Post
    It should be said that when you are the most popular character in a medium on a global scale there is very little that you can do to ruin that character completely.

    Characters like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, & Spider-Man can have risk taken that many other characters do not have the pleasure of. At the same time those characters could have the risk be utter failures and still get the time to needed to either adjust those risk so they actually work or to be written out.

    Think back to the times when each of these characters were at their worst in comic history. Diana becoming a not so secrete spy instead of an amazon. Clark recent 52 characterization. And so on.

    People can't compare certain things as being apples to apples when in truth one is an apple and the other is tuna fish.
    The question of the thread is "does parenthood sideline characters?". Well Batman and Superman still being parents and active superheroes show the answer is no. There are numerous characters that have been sidelined despite not being parents. The popularity of certain characters is irrelevant in this case.

  2. #32
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Posts
    4,154

    Default

    maybe it doesn't matter if it's one or two but if a litter of brood is produced or adopted like wolverine/batman has then it's a guaranteed dirt nap at some time just for all your brood to fight each other over the legacy reminiscing about him exploring their feelings etc.

  3. #33
    Astonishing Member DragonsChi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Posts
    2,990

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    The question of the thread is "does parenthood sideline characters?". Well Batman and Superman still being parents and active superheroes show the answer is no. There are numerous characters that have been sidelined despite not being parents. The popularity of certain characters is irrelevant in this case.
    Thing about that is Batman and Superman are immune to being sidelined. Therefore the point is mute at the door whenever they come up.
    Idea's Open Discussion And Growth. Silencing Idea's Confirms Them To Be True In The Minds Of Those Who Hold Them. The Attempt Of Eliminating Idea's Proves You To Be A Fool.

  4. #34
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    34,004

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsChi View Post
    Thing about that is Batman and Superman are immune to being sidelined. Therefore the point is mute at the door whenever they come up.
    Which still proves that parenthood does not sideline characters. If it did, Batman and Superman wouldn't be immune to it.

  5. #35
    Astonishing Member DragonsChi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Posts
    2,990

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Which still proves that parenthood does not sideline characters. If it did, Batman and Superman wouldn't be immune to it.
    No offense but thats like saying "Because a most birds can fly, that must mean all birds can fly." .

    The popularity, place in history, and status in the medium puts them on the level where most characters wouldn't even become close to equal.

    edit: Ergo they are the exception. Not the rule on this matter.
    Last edited by DragonsChi; 08-18-2018 at 12:45 PM.
    Idea's Open Discussion And Growth. Silencing Idea's Confirms Them To Be True In The Minds Of Those Who Hold Them. The Attempt Of Eliminating Idea's Proves You To Be A Fool.

  6. #36
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    18,566

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Devaishwarya View Post
    No.
    Writers with limited imaginations sideline characters.
    Well, no.
    Sometimes characters have to be sidelined because there are far more characters in the Marvel universe than can fit into the books.

  7. #37
    Latverian ambassador Iron Maiden's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Latverian Embassy
    Posts
    20,623

    Default

    It will be interesting to see if Dan Slott deals with the impending birth of a son to the house of von Doom that Bendis left behind. Somehow I think he may just conveniently forget about Amara and her pregnancy.

  8. #38
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    34,004

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsChi View Post
    No offense but thats like saying "Because a most birds can fly, that must mean all birds can fly." .

    The popularity, place in history, and status in the medium puts them on the level where most characters wouldn't even become close to equal.

    edit: Ergo they are the exception. Not the rule on this matter.
    And if the title of this thread was "can all birds fly" you'd have a point. You're bringing up points that are completely irrelevant.

  9. #39
    Astonishing Member DragonsChi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Posts
    2,990

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    And if the title of this thread was "can all birds fly" you'd have a point. You're bringing up points that are completely irrelevant.
    More like your comparing things that can't really be compared.
    Idea's Open Discussion And Growth. Silencing Idea's Confirms Them To Be True In The Minds Of Those Who Hold Them. The Attempt Of Eliminating Idea's Proves You To Be A Fool.

  10. #40
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    34,004

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsChi View Post
    More like your comparing things that can't really be compared.
    No I'm pretty certain it's you bringing up irrelevant points to make a tortured argument.

  11. #41
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    34,004

    Default

    How many of the characters sidelined are even parents to begin with? And how many that are sidelined have a long history of being sidelined?

  12. #42
    Astonishing Member DragonsChi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Posts
    2,990

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    No I'm pretty certain it's you bringing up irrelevant points to make a tortured argument.
    Wow...you really don't know what a metaphor is...

    The point is Superman and Batman can get away with things other heroes can't. To add to that Jon Kent is still unproven in of himself. Super Sons was canceled due to low sales and currently Jon Kent has been removed from the Superman title.

    So far Batman is the only hero who has a long term off-spring and even in saying that most of his "sons" aren't even his and Damian is still in question I think. He has never raised a child from infant to child ever and treated most of his Robins as co-workers as opposed to actual sons. But that is neither her nor there. The point is raising kids in super hero comics does not tend to work. Since the kids always either age up, die off, or sideline the hero until either of those happen.
    Idea's Open Discussion And Growth. Silencing Idea's Confirms Them To Be True In The Minds Of Those Who Hold Them. The Attempt Of Eliminating Idea's Proves You To Be A Fool.

  13. #43
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    34,004

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsChi View Post
    Wow...you really don't know what a metaphor is...

    The point is Superman and Batman can get away with things other heroes can't. To add to that Jon Kent is still unproven in of himself. Super Sons was canceled due to low sales and currently Jon Kent has been removed from the Superman title.

    So far Batman is the only hero who has a long term off-spring and even in saying that most of his "sons" aren't even his and Damian is still in question I think. He has never raised a child from infant to child ever and treated most of his Robins as co-workers as opposed to actual sons. But that is neither her nor there. The point is raising kids in super hero comics does not tend to work. Since the kids always either age up, die off, or sideline the hero until either of those happen.
    What the hell do metaphors have to with this?


    Super Sons isn't even a comic starring Superman and Batman and Jon's removal from the books had repeatedly been stated to be a temporary thing. His presence in the Super books also didn't cause any low sales in fact stories with him were the best received since Morrison's run.

    So yeah, you still haven't proven kids actually sideline characters.

  14. #44
    Astonishing Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    3,160

    Default

    Imo things like getting married or having a family to raise don't in any way stop good stories, sideline a character or break them in any way

    When I hear this from writers, as cropped up when marvel did one more day, it just makes me think how limited the creative team must be to find it too difficult to make use of this dynamic

    I'm amazed whenever I hear it to be honest

    It's an interesting discussion for us hear

  15. #45
    Astonishing Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    3,160

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    What the hell do metaphors have to with this?


    Super Sons isn't even a comic starring Superman and Batman and Jon's removal from the books had repeatedly been stated to be a temporary thing. His presence in the Super books also didn't cause any low sales in fact stories with him were the best received since Morrison's run.

    So yeah, you still haven't proven kids actually sideline characters.
    I agree that jons presence in superman has been a breath of fresh air, fantastic

    in fact his and Lois sidelining, temporary though it may be, has caused me to drop the book for the time being until I see what harm Bendis does to them, sorry, character development

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •