CBR article hints that Marvel may have it out for analogs?

[KurtW95]

And when it comes to characters away from their time/realities, Cable is technically from 616, so there’s no reason to get rid of him. Bishop, Rachel, and Nate should also stay. The others ones should pretty much get put back in their universe (Miles, Jimmy, Old Man Logan etc.). Keep some clones like X-23, Ben Reilly, and Kaine. And Gabby? Get rid of her ASAP. Preferably in a way that makes it impossible to bring her back. Damn, I hate that character so much. Also, bring back the original Madrox, Loki, and Black Widow. Stop having their clones masquerading as them.

[responsarbre]

My hang up with Jess having a kid is that a she was on this really cool super spy/super hero route then all of a sudden she was fighting crime while being pregnant.

That whole thing just made her seem irresponsible and was really hard for me to read/get into. Since the whole time I was thinking "What a idiot". But I'm the guy who cringes when I see a pregnant mom lights-up a cigarette or casually drinking alcohol.

Hopeless specifically had Jessica not fighting crime while pregnant. The volume where she's pregnant opens with Jessica bemoaning how she can't do superhero stuff anymore because she was pregnant. The comic is very explicit about this.

[KurtW95]

Hopeless specifically had Jessica not fighting crime while pregnant. The volume where she's pregnant opens with Jessica bemoaning how she can't do superhero stuff anymore because she was pregnant. The comic is very explicit about this.

She shouldn’t when she has the kid either. It wasn’t thought out except to give her a hobby. Kids are not hobbies.

[Valamist]

I was originally kinda against the idea of Jess being a mother, but Hopeless actually made it work so damn well that I think its one of the best things to happen to her.

If you do, you’re creating a crappy life for your kid for your pleasure purposes only. Nothing 1950s about that.

Your right! Its more like 1930s...

Seriously, if women want to raise their kids without a dad then let them. I have known plenty of people raised with one dad/mum and they all had normal childhood lives. Also, slight spoiler, but Jess does have a fella in her life as-of the final/latest Spider-Woman, so... yeah.

[Mike_Murdock]

She shouldn’t when she has the kid either. It wasn’t thought out except to give her a hobby. Kids are not hobbies.

Kids aren't hobbies, but people are allowed to have children even if they have a dangerous career. People in the military, police, etc. all have children.

[KurtW95]

Your right! Its more like 1930s...

Seriously, if women want to raise their kids without a dad then let them. I have known plenty of people raised with one dad/mum and they all had normal childhood lives. Also, slight spoiler, but Jess does have a fella in her life as-of the final/latest Spider-Woman, so... yeah.

Kids aren't hobbies, but people are allowed to have children even if they have a dangerous career. People in the military, police, etc. all have children.

Nobody’s talking about situations that one falls into. Rather purposely bringing a kid into the world that you know will be deprived of a second parent and will spend little time with you. It’s essentially a hobby if the person puts their pleasure above the kid’s life. A kid doesn’t deserve to spend most of his childhood with a babysitter. Face it, Jessica decided to have the kid because she wanted something that would make her happy in what little she has of downtime. She did not think of the kid. She thought of herself.

[theoneandonly]

the extermination event may pull of a 180 degree reverse angle and have the analogs kill the "primes" based on the fact that they have brought young boy cable from Cyclops and Phoenix back who killed his elder prime self and is hot on scent of the other 05 not to mention he seems to have iced teen Bobby.

[JKtheMac]

I think that women are well within their rights to raise a child as a single parent if they so choose. This isn't the 1950s.

Indeed. This should go without saying in any era, but strangely the fight continues.

It has to be said that the Jubilee story was very clearly an attempt to write about a single mother not compromising and not being sidelined. It was part of what the story was about. I hope we see other writers pick up the ball and continue that interesting thread.

[JKtheMac]

the extermination event may pull of a 180 degree reverse angle and have the analogs kill the "primes" based on the fact that they have brought young boy cable from Cyclops and Phoenix back who killed his elder prime self and is hot on scent of the other 05 not to mention he seems to have iced teen Bobby.

I do believe that if there is an editorial edict it is more likely ‘let’s simplify the line and only have one version of each character’ rather than ‘let’s get rid of all the analogs and legacy characters’.

Take Laura for example. I would have been happy for her to keep the Wolverine mantle but the recent retcon is an attempt to separate her out and make her more distinct. Force us to view her as something more than a straightforward clone. Allow her to shine on her own.

Similar things are happening with Viv and her multiple moves towards more human emotion, especially the suggestion that The Vision may be parked for a while. Sam having his Nova helmet removed could be part of this, and the Brawn moniker is also a step away from a direct Hulk analogy.

[ed2962]

She shouldn’t when she has the kid either. It wasn’t thought out except to give her a hobby. Kids are not hobbies.

Dennis actually is a father in real life. I'm sure his intention in making Jessica a mom was to show some of the things that go through a new parent's mind, not "to give her a hobby". And the comic was showing her doing things that working parents do, she wasn't doing anything irresponsible.

[KurtW95]

Dennis actually is a father in real life. I'm sure his intention in making Jessica a mom was to show some of the things that go through a new parent's mind, not "to give her a hobby". And the comic was showing her doing things that working parents do, she wasn't doing anything irresponsible.

Deciding to have the kid in the first place was irresponsible since she knew she would hardly spend time with him and would be willingly depriving him of a father. And I don’t think the writer’s personal life has any bearing on how everything turned out. People write characters unlike themselves all the time. She put her own pleasure and enjoyment above the well-being of her potential kid when deciding to have him. That’s plain selfish and irresponsible.

[Mike_Murdock]

Why would she hardly spend time with him? She can do her job and come home to spend time with him like anyone else. Just because her job is unorthodox doesn't change that.

[JKtheMac]

Why would she hardly spend time with him? She can do her job and come home to spend time with him like anyone else. Just because her job is unorthodox doesn't change that.

The whole issue is entirely tangential to the thread and seems more ideological than anything to do with comics. Insisting that a child needs a father is entirely removed from the stories being told. The thread is about a possible editorial direction at Marvel and I can confidently state that Marvel are not editorially making this kind of value judgment against single parents.

[DragonsChi]

Hopeless specifically had Jessica not fighting crime while pregnant. The volume where she's pregnant opens with Jessica bemoaning how she can't do superhero stuff anymore because she was pregnant. The comic is very explicit about this.

And yet she was still in costume fighting while pregnant.....

[ed2962]

Deciding to have the kid in the first place was irresponsible since she knew she would hardly spend time with him and would be willingly depriving him of a father. And I don’t think the writer’s personal life has any bearing on how everything turned out. People write characters unlike themselves all the time. She put her own pleasure and enjoyment above the well-being of her potential kid when deciding to have him. That’s plain selfish and irresponsible.

I brought up Dennis Hopeless's personal life because he's said that as a parent he wanted to put some of those experiences in his stories. And Jessica did not put her own pleasure above the well being of child. This simply wasn't the way the comic was written.