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    Default The Rectangle: Jean/Scott/Emma/Logan Discussion

    Jott. Scemma. Jogan. Ships that, no matter what, never stay sunk among their devotees.

    It's been a decade and a half since Grant Morrison's run scrambled the love connections of some of the X-Men's core cast, and it remains controversial among fans to this day. As such, the subject keeps coming up again and again. Rather than let it continue to periodically take over the respective characters' appreciation threads, I thought it time to give the subject a thread of its own.

    So, here it is.

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    We discuss this on every thread.
    every thread eventually devolves into this.

    there really wasn't a need to create one to keep the hate cycle.

    this is like the most toxic topic on these boards. that never goes anywhere good, just hateful discussion.

    Cyclops is dead, there isn't a love rectangle. We don't need more Cyclops, Jean, Emma, Logan, Jott, Scemma or Jogan hate
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    oooh I like this thread.... I'm curious to see where it goes....
    ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post



    oooh I like this thread.... I'm curious to see where it goes....
    LOL You're as messy as this thread is!

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    Someone need to close this thread.

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    so someone please explain to me this rectangle. why is it seemingly so controversial?
    ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    so someone please explain to me this rectangle. why is it seemingly so controversial?
    It doesn't even exist.

    Cyclops is dead, not jott or scemma exist at the moment. Jean and Logan have never been together (maybe they will but it will be without rectangle) just stupid and unecessary shipping wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixzero23 View Post
    It doesn't even exist.

    Cyclops is dead, not jott or scemma exist at the moment, just stupid and unecessary shipping wars.
    ooh I see. i thought there was some actual drama in 616. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    so someone please explain to me this rectangle. why is it seemingly so controversial?
    Is more like the story of an old plot point that no one wants to let go, all sides are guilty of it frankly, the fact it happened in the most influential run for the franchise on the 2000s doesn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCape View Post
    Is more like the story of an old plot point that no one wants to let go, all sides are guilty of it frankly, the fact it happened in the most influential run for the franchise on the 2000s doesn't help.
    I'm sorry but what run specifically are you referencing? and what sides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixzero23 View Post
    We discuss this on every thread.
    every thread eventually devolves into this.

    there really wasn't a need to create one to keep the hate cycle.

    this is like the most toxic topic on these boards. that never goes anywhere good, just hateful discussion.

    Cyclops is dead, there isn't a love rectangle. We don't need more Cyclops, Jean, Emma, Logan, Jott, Scemma or Jogan hate
    My savior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    And now this thread goes south with someone who was stuck in the 90s and another shouting rape over exaggerating Cyclops state in New X-Men who wasn't clinically ill making a rational decision to play fantasy games with another woman and enjoying it. And feeling guilty he enjoyed it more then spending time with his wife. That is what an affair is.

    It surprisingly lasted 3 pages with civil conversation
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    Cyclops wasn't persistently pervasively low mood. Nor did he gain weight or lose his appetite or lose sleep. If anything he was stimulated and elated. So he was not depressed just lonely

    Emma wasn't married to Jean. Scott was.

    Cyclops was not mentally ill during that period. Jean was in shock her comments were her trying to rationalize his betrayal she then doubles down once she realises Scott loves Emma and makes him happy.
    It was rape.

    Cyclops didn't need to be mentally ill or clinically depressed in order for him to be unable to give proper consent.

    I'm going to quote sniktice at sniktice.tumblr.com who is openly a rape victim and activist against abuse as she puts it better than I ever could.

    "Emma Frost was Scott’s therapist. She was in a position of authority and power over him. She manipulated a vulnerable, deeply disturbed Scott into having a psychic affair. He had been possessed by Apocalypse for months. His relationship with Jean was falling apart because Scott was disillusioned over a lot of crap.

    Consent is:

    Freely given
    While in your right mind
    With no influence of alcohol, drugs, coercion or mind altering and mentally disturbing experiences
    Continuous
    Active
    Enthusiastic
    Not “we shouldn’t do this”
    Not “we are just sharing a thought”
    Not one person seeking out consoling

    Sorry but Scott Summers post possession by Apocalypse was incapable of consent due to the deep level of disturbance that experience caused. Frost sleeping with him in any way, especially given that he did actively come looking for consoling from her, was plain and simple not something he was in the right state of mind to consent to.

    There is such a thing as saying yes and it still being rape. It happens when one half is too young, too vulnerable, too out of their fucking mind or otherwise compromised."

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    Default Solution for Scott-Jean-Logan & Scott-Jean-Emma love triangles

    RessurXion offers a solution to these long-standing love triangles.

    The "five" can create a Scott for Jean and a Scott for Emma, and a Jean for Scott and a Jean for Logan. Problem(s) solved!

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    There is a love triangle/quadrangle for this.
    I certainly wouldn't want that.
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    No duplicates! First rule

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