The Rectangle: Jean/Scott/Emma/Logan Discussion

[Abbz_A]

Let's be honest, is what this forums want to see

LMAO Defooo!!

Yes!
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Craziness!! I LOVE IT

[AHRNIHAL]

Currently there is no love triangle/square.
there was one very short lived between Jean/Scott/Logan, it ended with Jean and Scott together.
then there was one between Jean/Scott/Emma, it ended when Jean died.
If Jean dates Logan, there is still no love triangle because Scott is dead.

regarding Jean and Scott, they were having serious marital problems, doesn't mean they didn't love each other though according to Morrison the flame was fading. Some people blame Jean for kissing wolverine, yes that happened under those circunstances maybe not be the best course of action but Scott had telephatic sex with Emma, that was wrong too. Both things were wrong and i understand that some fans of each character feel cheated. Currently as of this year it looks like Marvel stand seems to be that Scott was the one who messed up worse and he is sorry. for years it wasn't but currently that's the case.
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AGREED WITH MARVEL.
Just like i agree Medusa is the greatest hero of IvX.

[Abbz_A]

Currently there is no love triangle/square.
there was one very short lived between Jean/Scott/Logan, it ended with Jean and Scott together.
then there was one between Jean/Scott/Emma, it ended when Jean died.
If Jean dates Logan, there is still no love triangle because Scott is dead.

regarding Jean and Scott, they were having serious marital problems, doesn't mean they didn't love each other though according to Morrison the flame was fading. Some people blame Jean for kissing wolverine, yes that happened under those circunstances maybe not be the best course of action but Scott had telephatic sex with Emma, that was wrong too. Both things were wrong and i understand that some fans of each character feel cheated. Currently as of this year it looks like Marvel stand seems to be that Scott was the one who messed up worse and he is sorry. for years it wasn't but currently that's the case.
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Agreed!!
Emma got it worse outta all of em.

[Hizashi]

I'm amazed that you even bother. Many times in this forum I had to rethink my vision of certain characters and events. I guess I shouldn't expect the same lack of attachment to established views from others.

I think I'm done. You and SpiderClops pretty much voice all my thoughts and I don't think I have anything to add.

I would never ask spirit2011 not to express their views, but I have to answer when an assertion that I believe is misinformed is made about a character I love. I’ve been wrong about characters and posters before, that’s why I’m trying to temper myself and my responses as best I can, even if I’m not going to change minds. I think there needs to be an opposing view to the one that spirit2011 holds, but I hold no animus towards them.

I’m flattered you feel that way about the things I say, thank you.

[spirit2011]

If he chose to hire writers who agreed with his (poor IMO) vision, that’s also on him. Speaking only for myself Jogan in RYV only bothered me for two reasons: 1) the ridiculous rationale for the dissolution of Jott and 2) the fact that Scott was a sad sack in that story. Making Jogan without dumping on Scott isn’t an unreasonable request. I would have no problem with Jean being with someone else as long as Scott isn’t crapped on by it - don’t bring him up in that relationship, there, simple.

If you feel that way about a AU story that is easy to skip with zero importance, imagien the Jean fans that had to see Scott saying that he didn't needed Jean and that Emma was everything he needed?
Editors and writers saying Jean was better off dead and that she was a hidrance to Scott development?
Scemma crapped big on Jean.

Jean kissing Logan matters because she knows she isn’t confronting their problems either and she doesn’t let Scott truly express his worries when he tries, she dismisses them. Scott’s refusal matters because he refused a physical affair, and you can feel how you feel but none of the characters, not even Jean, feels that a psychic affair is as bad as a physical one.

If Jean thought it was without importance, she wouldn't burn Emma because of it.
you probably think the kiss was far worse than a telepathic affair to say it.

A telepathic affair on astral plane is just like real sex. Scott was just doing what he could get away

[TheCape]

I would never ask spirit2011 not to express their views, but I have to answer when an assertion that I believe is misinformed is made about a character I love. I’ve been wrong about characters and posters before, that’s why I’m trying to temper myself and my responses as best I can, even if I’m not going to change minds. I think there needs to be an opposing view to the one that spirit2011 holds, but I hold no animus towards them.

I’m flattered you feel that way about the things I say, thank you.

You are quality person.

[Abbz_A]

You are quality person.

Godashi indeed.

[spirit2011]

Currently there is no love triangle/square.
there was one very short lived between Jean/Scott/Logan, it ended with Jean and Scott together.
then there was one between Jean/Scott/Emma, it ended when Jean died.
If Jean dates Logan, there is still no love triangle because Scott is dead.

regarding Jean and Scott, they were having serious marital problems, doesn't mean they didn't love each other though according to Morrison the flame was fading. Some people blame Jean for kissing wolverine, yes that happened under those circunstances maybe not be the best course of action but Scott had telephatic sex with Emma, that was wrong too. Both things were wrong and i understand that some fans of each character feel cheated. Currently as of this year it looks like Marvel stand seems to be that Scott was the one who messed up worse and he is sorry. for years it wasn't but currently that's the case.
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So hard to admit this? he messed up badly

[Hizashi]

Quesada himself once said Jean could not come back because Scott was with Emma. I looked for the old Q&A session where he was asked and can't find it now.

The toxicity in such a view is sad and damn-near prehistoric but the Q&A was in 2009 at the earliest.

That’s a shipping reason for Jean not coming back espoused by an EiC who’s decisions have proven largely unpopular; your animus is aimed in the wrong direction. Scott’s character narrative existed separate from his relationship to Emma, the X-Men are not romance comics (or largely romance comics). Otherwise, I actually agree with your statement.

[Abbz_A]

So hard to admit this? he messed up badly

Which part did he mess up tho?

[TheCape]

AGREED WITH MARVEL.
Just like i agree Medusa is the greatest hero of IvX.

Scott would always put the blame on him, especially when it comes to his relationship with Jean, is a well known trait of his, he is not the only guilty for sure, Emma and Jean had their own share of blame in this situation. But, don't be surprised if he acts like that, Jean would probably apologize too.

[spirit2011]

Do you see these threads? They would freak the heck out, which is a top 10 reason she should be in a new ship. Bring the sexist "Cyclops owns her and she should be either with him or dead" rule to a screeching, screaming end, man-babies be damned.

This is one of those progressive things that needs to happen for story AND meta reasons.

Really bring this franchise into 2018.

Of course I know these forums. They don't want Jean dating Cyclops, but also don't want her dating any other man,

Jean having another relationship is a thing that needs to happen. That would be justice
and she should date Steve Rogers. That would be on point

Which part did he mess up tho?

having a affair and a relationship with Emma

[Abbz_A]

Scott would always put the blame on him, especially when it comes to his relationship with Jean, is a well known trait of his, he is not the only guilty for sure, Emma and Jean had their own share of blame in this situation. But, don't be surprised if he acts like that, Jean would probably apologize too.

I mean Scott is not perfect. Everyone messed up in tat fiasco but Scott is being trash talked the most. Pity the poor guy

[PrezValentine]

I would never ask spirit2011 not to express their views, but I have to answer when an assertion that I believe is misinformed is made about a character I love. I’ve been wrong about characters and posters before, that’s why I’m trying to temper myself and my responses as best I can, even if I’m not going to change minds. I think there needs to be an opposing view to the one that spirit2011 holds, but I hold no animus towards them.

I’m flattered you feel that way about the things I say, thank you.

Oh, I don't hold anything against them too. Just stating I admire your patience and your thoughts. So, you're welcome

[Abbz_A]

Of course I know these forums. They don't want Jean dating Cyclops, but also don't want her dating any other man,

Jean having another relationship is a thing that needs to happen. That would be justice
and she should date Steve Rogers. That would be on point



having a affair and a relationship with Emma

Hol’ Up! I want Jott tho ... but I want Scott n Jean to recertify their love.