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    there was also the Crusaders in Freedom Fighters #7 and Invaders #14. The DC team was a homage to the Invaders and vice versa.Notably, it's where the Spirit of '76 first appeared. He was the first to take over the Captain America mantel after Cap was frozen.
    That was done on purpose. Marvel and dc did a "bet" to have each others teams fight spoofs of each other with the same name. Both books came out at the same time also!


    https://www.cbr.com/comic-book-urban...revealed-69/3/

    As for copies aquaman hands down. Rip-off of sub-mariner right down to king of the same city!

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    Yeah, it was the same as the Champions/Squadron story, where they were done as unofficial crossovers at the same time.

    Aquaman/Namor is kind of interesting. When Namor was first created, Bill Everett actually didn't specify he was from Atlantis, as he believed it was possible an actual Atlantis might be discovered one day. not a supernatural city or land of fish people- just that the story might be an actual story of a city that fell into the ocean. So it's deliberatly vague where Namor is from. Conversely, Aquaman wasn't actually from Atlantis in the Golden Age- he was an enchanned human tinkered with by his father (implied to be Jacques Costou, by my reading) in sort of a Doc Savage homage. The Atlantis angle isn't introduced until the Adventure Comics revamp in #260, from 1959. When Namor showed up again in 1961's Fantastic Four #4, he was in turn made that much more similar to Aquaman by introducing Altantis!

    Note that Golden/Atomic age Namor comics may have called it Atlantis, but I'm not 100%.

    Of note too, is that Aquaman's co-creator Mort Weisinger also created the Green Arrow and Johnny Quick, all of whom are quite deritivite, even by Golden Age standards. In addition to Batman, Ollie cribs from the Centaur hero the Archer (arguably the first true superhero to follow Superman's lead) as well as George Wallace film serial/novel The green Archer. Johnny Quick is pretty clearly a Flash cash-in. A Flash-in, if you will.

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    Some of these were meant to be homages, and not rip-offs. Dan Jurgens wasn't trying to pass off the idea of four space explorers getting powers as his own, it was meant to be an homage to the Fantastic Four, and basically what would be a more realistic / tragic outcome if they were hit by waves of radiation. Just like (I believe) the Shi'ar Guard were meant to be obvious homages to the LSH, not surreptitious knock offs. But the line is blurry in some cases. It is interesting in general to see the influence of one on the other. As someone mentioned, the Extremists I always found really interesting homages to Marvel villains.

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    Green Lantern & Iron Man have sometimes had odd connections. In the 1980s, Hal Jordan quit being GL to be replaced by John Stewart as the title character around the same time that Tony Stark stepped down as Iron Man and was replaced by John Rhodes. In the 1990s, Hal Jordan became a villain and was replaced by the younger Kyle Rayner, which prompted Tony Stark to make a heel turn and be replaced by a younger alternate version of himself. Tony's decent into madness was explained as the mental manipulation of his old enemy Kang, which later became the explanation for Hal's own villainy, but with Sinestro.

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    Interesting. Maybe there is something to that one then

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    Another question that occurs to me about this how many characters or groups started out as distinct, but migrated toward being knockoffs?

    Moon Knight/Batman and Quasar/Green Lantern are two that leap out at me.

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    When the fools at DC let the name Captain Marvel lapse, Marvel understandably snagged the name, and launched their Green and White alien Kree themed Captain Marvel. Although when that never took off, they went further to try and bulr the lines, and shamelessly "borrowed" the young boy switches places with the adult theme, with Rick Jones as an analogue for Billy Batson.


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    Sea Devils started out as distinct but migrated toward being an underwater parody of the Fantastic Four late into its 1960s run--Man-Fish is far more similar to the Sub-Mariner than Aquaman.

    Carol Danvers started out as distinct and having nothing similar to Linda Lee Danvers (aka Kara Zor-El) other than a similarity in names. But once Carol Danvers became Ms. Marvel (the distaff counterpart to Capt. Marvel, as Supergirl was to Superman), it was hard not to see the similarities. Some of the same writers and artists worked on both Ms. Marvel and Supergirl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Güicho View Post


    When the fools at DC let the name Captain Marvel lapse, Marvel understandably snagged the name, and launched their Green and White alien Kree themed Captain Marvel. Although when that never took off, they went further to try and bulr the lines, and shamelessly "borrowed" the young boy switches places with the adult theme, with Rick Jones as an analogue for Billy Batson.


    Yup. One modification: Mar-Vell launched in 1967, and DC didn't license Fawcett's character until 1972, and didn't purchase it until much later. It was Fawcett who let the property lapse, having no interest in it the IP since they'd committed to never publish CM again to settle DC's (very petty) lawsuit.

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    Captain Marvel was gone but not forgotten in the 1960s. Gomer and Goober Pyle remembered him and kept CAPTAIN MARVEL ADVENTURES in stock at their gas station (THE ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW began in 1960, so those comics must have been at least seven years old)--Gomer was apt to say "Shazam!" at the drop of a hat.

    M.F. Enterprises launched their own CAPTAIN MARVEL in 1966, before Marvel Comics [note that "Plastic Man" also appeared in those comics].



    Then Otto Binder and C.C. Beck got together to create FATMAN, THE HUMAN FLYING SAUCER for Lightning Comics in 1967--making no secret of their connection to the "Original Captain Marvel." Fatman was a spoof on a few different heroes, but clearly shopped for his clothes at the Rock of Eternity.


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    DC's Guardian (1942) seemed similar to Marvel's Captain America (1941), though this was surely do to Simon and Kirby working on both:

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    I'm surprised no one has mentioned The Gauntlet yet. This and Batman: Knightfall are identical stories. But I think Gauntlet did the whole drama a bit better than Knightfall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Electricmastro View Post
    DC's Guardian (1942) seemed similar to Marvel's Captain America (1941), though this was surely do to Simon and Kirby working on both:
    I imagine that Joe and Jack were great fans of the Dead End Kids--and kid adventures, in general. Maybe it had something to do with their upbringing. Individually and together they were always bringing kids into their creations--from the beginning of their comics career to the end.

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    Catwoman from Marvel Mystery Comics #63 (April, 1945).


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    I think Carol Danvers was supposed to be a Marvel equivalent to Supergirl back when the latter went by Linda Danvers. These days Carol is viewed as a Wonder Woman equivalent.

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