Which tv character did you love at first that you can no longer stand?

[DrNewGod]

Somewhere between Season 4 and 5 of STTNG, I began to sour on Picard. I had loved how distinct he was from Kirk, portraying more a seasoned commander, dedicated to his responsibilities to supervise and develop his subordinates rather than in indulging in adventure himself (even tho it was clear that he missed being on the knife's edge). I also loved the effort made to make him proudly French. Both of those things faded away as the scripts seemed to inject more of Stewart's persona into the character. I've always thought they left the best of him behind, and kept only the preachy parts to bolt onto a Kirk-analogue.

I also turned on STTNG's Riker. In all fairness, he was in an impossible situation; there's only so long The Captain In The Making gimmick can work before you've got to either promote him off the show, or vacate the existing Captain to make room for his destiny. That's before we even talk about the pressures of being sandwiched between the popular Picard and the popular Data. I got super-excited by prospect offered by the episode "Second Chances", to phase Will Riker out of the show in favor of his "twin", Thomas, only to be let down before the episode's end. After that, (IMO) the character was pretty much an extra appendage, who didn't get a meaningful role to play until the film Nemsis. I will always wonder what Frakes and the writers might have been able to do with a Riker still possessed of all the the character's best qualities, but with a ravenous ambition and sense of something to prove, amplified by the perceived need to make up lost time.

An odd twist on this question is my reaction to M*A*S*H, where my attitude turned downward, but then back up. As a kid, I loved the brash, witty Hawkeye. By the series end, I began to look on him as kind of an ass, with a nastily mean-spirited and narcissistic edge to his sarcastic humor. Even worse, when he wasn't being a brat, he was being a downer. What I didn't have the experience, or the empathy to understand at that point was the last few seasons of the show walked us through Hawkeye's erosion under the weight of his responsibilities, and what we now call PTSD. I've sometimes wondered whether, in Alda's opinion, Hawkeye ever again practiced surgery. He's still no longer my favorite (that would be Father Mulcahy), but I'm a lot more tolerant of him than I was.

[Jokerz79]

Somewhere between Season 4 and 5 of STTNG, I began to sour on Picard. I had loved how distinct he was from Kirk, portraying more a seasoned commander, dedicated to his responsibilities to supervise and develop his subordinates rather than in indulging in adventure himself (even tho it was clear that he missed being on the knife's edge). I also loved the effort made to make him proudly French. Both of those things faded away as the scripts seemed to inject more of Stewart's persona into the character. I've always thought they left the best of him behind, and kept only the preachy parts to bolt onto a Kirk-analogue.

I also turned on STTNG's Riker. In all fairness, he was in an impossible situation; there's only so long The Captain In The Making gimmick can work before you've got to either promote him off the show, or vacate the existing Captain to make room for his destiny. That's before we even talk about the pressures of being sandwiched between the popular Picard and the popular Data. I got super-excited by prospect offered by the episode "Second Chances", to phase Will Riker out of the show in favor of his "twin", Thomas, only to be let down before the episode's end. After that, (IMO) the character was pretty much an extra appendage, who didn't get a meaningful role to play until the film Nemsis. I will always wonder what Frakes and the writers might have been able to do with a Riker still possessed of all the the character's best qualities, but with a ravenous ambition and sense of something to prove, amplified by the perceived need to make up lost time.

An odd twist on this question is my reaction to M*A*S*H, where my attitude turned downward, but then back up. As a kid, I loved the brash, witty Hawkeye. By the series end, I began to look on him as kind of an ass, with a nastily mean-spirited and narcissistic edge to his sarcastic humor. Even worse, when he wasn't being a brat, he was being a downer. What I didn't have the experience, or the empathy to understand at that point was the last few seasons of the show walked us through Hawkeye's erosion under the weight of his responsibilities, and what we now call PTSD. I've sometimes wondered whether, in Alda's opinion, Hawkeye ever again practiced surgery. He's still no longer my favorite (that would be Father Mulcahy), but I'm a lot more tolerant of him than I was.

I agree Thomas was a missed opportunity to allow Will to grow but the show had some excuses for it with less commands during the rest of the TNG series after Wolf 359 and after the fleet was rebuilt by the films Will IMO was probably black balled from command for a few years and to rebuild his reputation after Pegasus came to light.

[Powerboy]

Somewhere between Season 4 and 5 of STTNG, I began to sour on Picard. I had loved how distinct he was from Kirk, portraying more a seasoned commander, dedicated to his responsibilities to supervise and develop his subordinates rather than in indulging in adventure himself (even tho it was clear that he missed being on the knife's edge). I also loved the effort made to make him proudly French. Both of those things faded away as the scripts seemed to inject more of Stewart's persona into the character. I've always thought they left the best of him behind, and kept only the preachy parts to bolt onto a Kirk-analogue.

I also turned on STTNG's Riker. In all fairness, he was in an impossible situation; there's only so long The Captain In The Making gimmick can work before you've got to either promote him off the show, or vacate the existing Captain to make room for his destiny. That's before we even talk about the pressures of being sandwiched between the popular Picard and the popular Data. I got super-excited by prospect offered by the episode "Second Chances", to phase Will Riker out of the show in favor of his "twin", Thomas, only to be let down before the episode's end. After that, (IMO) the character was pretty much an extra appendage, who didn't get a meaningful role to play until the film Nemsis. I will always wonder what Frakes and the writers might have been able to do with a Riker still possessed of all the the character's best qualities, but with a ravenous ambition and sense of something to prove, amplified by the perceived need to make up lost time.

An odd twist on this question is my reaction to M*A*S*H, where my attitude turned downward, but then back up. As a kid, I loved the brash, witty Hawkeye. By the series end, I began to look on him as kind of an ass, with a nastily mean-spirited and narcissistic edge to his sarcastic humor. Even worse, when he wasn't being a brat, he was being a downer. What I didn't have the experience, or the empathy to understand at that point was the last few seasons of the show walked us through Hawkeye's erosion under the weight of his responsibilities, and what we now call PTSD. I've sometimes wondered whether, in Alda's opinion, Hawkeye ever again practiced surgery. He's still no longer my favorite (that would be Father Mulcahy), but I'm a lot more tolerant of him than I was.

Alan Alda was once asked why he wouldn't make a guest appearance on "AfterMash" and he said he didn't want the audience to see Hawkeye in such a mundane situation because what made him extraordinary was simply that he was a person of strong convictions in a horrible situation that tested them. He went on to say that he thinks we all know what would happen to Hawkeye in the long run once he's out of that situation. He'll take time to recover and maybe never completely will but he'll go back to Crabapple Cove and work in the hospital there, eventually start his own practice again [maybe or maybe not surgery, he never mentioned that], get married, have a family and become essentially an ordinary person.

I personally always liked BJ, Potter, Mulcahy and Klinger among others more than Hawkeye which is largely why I really liked "AfterMash" but clearly most people just had it set in their minds that they were minor supporting characters who couldn't carry a show.

[Cyke]

Everybody complained about AoS being a superhero show with no superheroes, and then complain about Daisy becoming a superhero and taking over the show. Can't have it both ways. I like the character a lot more now than in the first couple of seasons, when I couldn't figure out why she was even there.

On the contrary, the show was first pitched as regular humans fighting superhuman threats in their own way. After all, every SHIELD agent we had met in the MCU up until that point were regular humans investigating conspiracies and otherworldly threats. But a non-superhero show with occasional MCU superheroes would've been just fine.

But even then, even if Daisy were to become a superhero, she need not be the best there is at everything she does. Two seasons after joining as a civilian rookie, she was soon barking orders to anyone who wasn't Coulson, and could hold her own in h2h against May -- whose entire schtick was to be a one-woman army.

They could've made Lance or Simmons a superhero. Heck, Bobbi is, right down to costume. They could be superheroes with their own specialties. But these professionals with way more experience are somehow much more incompetent than the rookie. Even when they added additional superhumans, someone like Yo-Yo, for some reason, was given to extreme and unreasonable mood swings (even before her arm incident) so that Daisy could be the more reasonable one.

If there was a castmember whose main role was, I dunno, chef or bartender like Neelix or Guinan, odds are that Daisy would've likely surpassed them at that. Hell, she even had enough medical knowledge to order Simmons around with serums, and she's supposed to be a biomedical prodigy. Fitz was likewise a tech prodigy, but needed Daisy to set forth his priorities.

[AndrewCrossett]

They did fast-forward Daisy's combat ability development a bit... she went from being a computer geek to a Melinda May-level butt kicker in rapid fashion... though that's a common issue on TV shows where you're not sure how much time you'll have to tell your story.

If the team had been dealing on a regular basis with well known MCU superheroes, then they could have gotten away with the non-super cast. But that wasn't going to be allowed, so they needed to either get their own home-grown supe(s) or bore everybody to death. They could have gone with "competence porn"... a show about non-powered people who are just wonderfully good at what they do, along the lines of The A-Team or Mission: Impossible. But then why have it be an MCU show at all?

I think they did fine with Daisy. She wasn't good at everything. She barked orders because Coulson kept trying to force her to be a leader, and she wasn't... she was a crappy leader, TBH.

[Carabas]

...Two seasons after joining as a civilian rookie, she was soon barking orders to anyone who wasn't Coulson, and could hold her own in h2h against May...

This bit seems to be 100% fabrication.

[ed2962]

Garcia from Criminal Minds. She started out as a smart funny tech support and eventually changed into "quirky" character who was close to annoying depending on the script.

[Forseti]

The Walking Dead's Morgan.

I've become so fed up with his back and forth "kill everyone" / "kill no one" swings, I've stopped watching.

[Osiris-Rex]

Sheldon Cooper. He started out as a befuddled goofball. Clueless to the way normal people act, talk, and relate to one another. Almost like the was an alien from
another planet. Now he is just a arrogant know it all that always has to get his way and goes out of his way to be obnoxious.

[SiegePerilous02]

Spike on Buffy. He's still great in the early seasons, but insufferable in the last few. He becomes a bit more tolerable in the last season of Angel though, but I still wish he wasn't there.

[Basara]

But even then, even if Daisy were to become a superhero, she need not be the best there is at everything she does. Two seasons after joining as a civilian rookie, she was soon barking orders to anyone who wasn't Coulson, and could hold her own in h2h against May -- whose entire schtick was to be a one-woman army.

You mean when she was around, which she wasn't all that often. Season 1, she's taken by Ward, who hasn't realized she's figured out that he is a Hydra agent, so that they can be together in the new world order. The team has to find and rescue her.

The second half of Season 2 had Daisy ordered into isolation because she was a danger to the team, and then kidnapped by the Inhumans, where she stayed until SHIELD finally found her at the end of the season. Oh, and on her holding her own against May? Yeah, no. Their big duel clearly showed that while May trained Daisy well, May was still vastly the superior fighter. The only reason Daisy won the fight was because she had learned to use her powers.

Season 3 had Daisy mostly in the background because her powers were shattering the bones in her body. Once Simmons found a way for Daisy to control her powers, she became mind controlled by Hive, where she spends most of the rest of the season away from the team.

Season 4 had the team trying to find Daisy for the beginning half of the season, because she had exiled herself from the team because she couldn't get over Campbell's death. She didn't return to the team until nearly the end of the Ghost Rider arc. The LMD arc was a reverse of the typical SHIELD story arc, with Daisy having to track down the others, whom had been kidnapped by AIDA.

Season 5 had Daisy betrayed by Deke and captured by Kasius in episode 2, where she remained his prisoner until the others could help her break free.

Daisy actually spends a great deal of time away from the team, usually as someone's prisoner.

[ChrisIII]

The Walking Dead's Morgan.

I've become so fed up with his back and forth "kill everyone" / "kill no one" swings, I've stopped watching.

They kind of tried to pull that with Carol (In part due to Morgan's influence). Didn't last very long though; once she heard about what happened to Abraham and Glenn she pretty much went full badass again.

[Hall]

Most of the characters on Revenge.

[Totoro Man]

Spike on Buffy. He's still great in the early seasons, but insufferable in the last few. He becomes a bit more tolerable in the last season of Angel though, but I still wish he wasn't there.

I think I gotta agree with you here. I never understood the point of making it so that he couldn't kill people... it seemed like fan-service-- the wrong kind of fan-service. then, when they had him try to rape Buffy it seemed like it was overblown backlash against the fan service they did earlier. "hey people! look, he's evil! you have to remember that he's evil!" it's like we had all forgotten that he described people as "little Happy Meals with legs" or something.

it's like they didn't really know what to do with him. I didn't really hate him as a character... he just became sort of tedious for me. it's like they wanted to turn him into a substitute version of Angel and it never worked out properly.

[kingaliencracker]

Lana Lang in Smallville.

Started out as cute and likeable but her story arcs derailed pretty much in the 2nd season onward. When she returned in the 8th season it pretty much solidified her as the worst character on the show.