Damn its great to be taking about the latest FF issues again
Damn its great to be taking about the latest FF issues again
Good point. Restoring the multiverse and creating new universes still creates the same problems.
That being said, we don't know if the universes created didn't contain universe threatening madmen like a Thanos but they sure as heck didn't contain beings that could protect them seeing as they were completely destroyed by Griever without much resistance. The 616 universe (and most of the Marvel multiverse) has been seeded with all sorts of mechanisms to allow residents in them defend themselves against all sorts of dangers.
In an existence as potentially perilous as the Marvel multiverse (which the Fantastic Four are very aware of), creating universes and not seeding them with some form of defense mechanism (like a Starbrand or some other cosmics) does reek of hubris and it goes back to the original point of why create imperfect universes at all? Obviously, this is probably as a result of the Richards and Owen not being omnipotent and omniscient and that then comes back to the point of why take on that responsibility at all when they just might not be entirely up to it?
Part of the way there, then.
Interesting “bracket” by the way. As I wonder into town to get my car insurance, I’ll be wondering what other characters fit into niche between Thor, Silver Surfer, Hulk and the outright cosmic powerhouses. Galactus? Watcher? Or just a notch down?
Last edited by JackDaw; 09-17-2018 at 01:15 AM.
I’m struggling at moment to think of examples.
But..pure guess..maybe some of the X-Men powerhouses, especially some of the villains, might fit in. I know next to nothing about X-men.
It’s sort of question that I suspect Digifiend could give a near definitive answer on.
Yeah
He's still a kid, though older, so I guess he's still not at full potential like the future version that fought celestials
still even as a kid he created a pocket universe in heroes reborn
It's all related to the story being told I guess, a galactus level being on a team sort of renders the rest inert
Incidentally I note that when reed summons his family, Alicia isn't there
maybe he only meant those who are active hero types?
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Im always happy with franklin being potentially uber powerful but not being there fully yet
And I totally agree about the others, sues very powerful but the other 3 need a real upgrade imo, and I would be happy to see sue get a bump to keep her scaled up too
Ben is seriously short in the strength game these days compared to other bricks in marvel
hasn't been for years imo
Crimz has been pulling my leg on another thread by posting an image of the Hulk seeing Ben off in two panels.
Seriously it’s got to point where it’s just as obvious that Ben needs powering up, as it was decades ago that Sue did.
And as I’ve said a couple of times, I quite like Crimz’s idea of powering Ben up by making him very, very fast and durable rather than any stronger. That are other possibilities, of course, but basically something really ought to be done.
That was the panel that actually made me put the book down. I can't see how it is possible for Reed and Sue to have disappeared from the team for so long and to been complacent and not driven to reconnect with Johnny and Ben. It is completely out of character with the Fantastic Four and make it virtually unreadable.
That is where it really drops off and it is not well set up for a Fantastic Four story. It is now just wandering around.
First, you are correct. These characters are talking, thinking and speaking in a way that is completely inconsistent with everything we know about them. There is no way that Reed and Sue would leave Johnny and Ben in the lurch like that and then just have this KumBayyah existence playing hopscotch with Franklin through multiple universes, all the while enjoying the campfire in euphoric glow of their children's antics as if they are all tripping on pitocin ... it makes no emotion senses and it completely fails as a narrative.
The natural outcome for the Richards family of Franklin creating universes should be horror, and it has been previously. It is too much power and responsibility, which instead is being played off as if the Richards Family is taking a romp through Candy Land, rather than the bizarre and and twisted thing it is, which would have been resisted by Reed and Susan, not encouraged. And trivializing it by creating Universes ad nauseum, one with more chocolate, one with more oceans, one with more caves, is just so far removed from any FF characterization, and is frankly just stupid. It makes you groan with its stupidity.
You create a universe and it is not large enough and diverse enough for you to find something interesting in? That is worst than the ice planets and desert planets in Star Wars. Really, an entire world of ice and an entire world with desert? Maybe someone needs to explain what a Universe is to the author? Or what a galaxy is? or even solar system?
Then since they have this rather insane story with the Richards family hop scotching though the land of chocolate universes, blissfully happy with specialty hot cocoa mixes, then they need to create this new villain that just pops into the story without explanation or background. I am the goddess of entropy! and the killer of all things and I am here to destroy all of Young Franklin's wonderful cocoa universes!
Maybe Neil Gaiman is around to explain how a death character can be interesting and believable?
....oh ... how ... thrilling...
Why does Franklin's powers not work anymore? He wore them out! Of course!
So now Reed can reach across the multiverse and summons all the characters that ever were associated with the FF, instantaneously together.
And they are all just so HAPPY to be there! Especially Logan. This is the moment that makes his whole existence now truly meaningful.. It is hard to believe that this is even a Marvel book. This is Marvel. They all but created the feisty, quarreling, independent super-hero. This is nothing like a Marvel book.
And this is the second false climax that this author has created in two issues. There is no suspense. The writer seems to be incapable of writing a suspenseful book. This whole storyline feels like a dream. That would be the best plot twist to save this book. Have this all part of Franklin Richards dream as he is kidnapped by Doctor Doom. It might be the only way to save this book. Franklin can be conjuring up an entire new FF Universe of universes in his dreams which eventually crosses over to his reality to defeat Doctor Doom and re-establishes the Fantastic Four in Marvel Comics and ends up reducing Franklins powers to something more manageable.
That can work...
Otherwise, expect the sales to tank and the damage to the FF franchise to be permanent.
This is the worst FF effort yet put together.
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