MCU Thanos and Black Order vs Bay Optimus,Bumble Bee and Dinobots.

[Carabas]

personally, i don't see it as being the same. having your arm cut off by a portal closing on it and having it cut off by a energy sword are two really different things.

Depends how you look at it.

From a scientific point of view, portal bisection is much more interesting.
From the perspective of a coroner doing an autopsy, there really doesn't seem to be any major difference.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

You're talking about a hypothetical starwars battle and I'm talking about Infinity War lol. where Cull's fore arm was clearly chopped off and yes his hand was smoking on the ground and ash was in the air. There's nothing to explain or justify. Anybody can see it for what it is as long as they're not engaging in fanboy histrionics.
Go google Cull's arm chopped off in IW and a bunch of stuff will come up. I'm not gonna explain anymore. Better yet we seem to have problems communicating with each other so let's just stop.

It's an analogy. Now who's being too literal ?

[The Arbiter]

Yes, the arm looked cauterized and blah blah. I still don't see the mechanism being altogether similar to say a lightsaber.

Im of the opinion it's more like Cthulhu said. Geography is not your friend with a portal lol. The heat effect may have just been an artistic liberation. Or a conscious effort to avoid excess gore with a movie they knew kids would watch. *shrugs*

Btw, you ever track down more durability feats for team Transformer?

[CliffHanger2]

Depends how you look at it.

From a scientific point of view, portal bisection is much more interesting.
From the perspective of a coroner doing an autopsy, there really doesn't seem to be any major difference.

Yeah cut-off is cut-off. The whole point was to show cull's vulnerability to energy weapons.

[CliffHanger2]

Yes, the arm looked cauterized and blah blah. I still don't see the mechanism being altogether similar to say a lightsaber.

Im of the opinion it's more like Cthulhu said. Geography is not your friend with a portal lol. The heat effect may have just been an artistic liberation. Or a conscious effort to avoid excess gore with a movie they knew kids would watch. *shrugs*

Btw, you ever track down more durability feats for team Transformer?

Artistic liberation and MCU films don't go together lol. The dragon in Ragnarok had blood and guts when his head got cut off by the Bifrost.Optimus's energon axe heats up to 1000 degrees Celsius. Still looking for Tf durability feats.

[CliffHanger2]

It's an analogy. Now who's being too literal ?

I can see your analogy but I'm not being too literal. I'm pointing out what actually happened in the movie.

[The Arbiter]

I can see your analogy but I'm not being too literal. I'm pointing out what actually happened in the movie.

Ok, look at it a different way. Wonder Woman and Spiderman are specifically weak against bullets and sharp objects in their comics despite taking waaay more damage than "bullets" from other sources consistently. Especially Wonder Woman, who has survived nuclear detonations and blows from Superman. This is because they are specifically weak against piercing weapons/damage. It's a point of character. It's a plot point.

This is /true/ compartmentalized durability. A distinct weakness to certain types of damage.

Thanos, Cull and so on do not have any sort of compartmentalized durability as a point of narration, context or subtext. It's complete assumption that Cull has a weakness to energy attacks. Especially when we see Cull laughing of Super Tony repulsor blasts.

The safer and more evidence friendly argument is that the portal can "cut real gud yo". Comfortably severing Hulk level creatures.

If your follow up point is going to be the Wakandan energy barrier, just remember it seems to immolate objects flying at 1000 mph the size of skyscrapers. So. It's not crazy it got him. Unlike the Outriders, he was dragged along a great portion of the thing at speed while attached to an explosive jet pack lol.

[The Arbiter]

And, just fyi, 1000° C is not really hot enough to matter. Steel needs like 1200 C to melt iirc. So unless you think Thanos and crew are less durable than steel, we need to judge that Axe based on it's performances. What's the toughest thing it's cut?

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

I can see your analogy but I'm not being too literal. I'm pointing out what actually happened in the movie.

And yet you're failing to grasp the difference, to say nothing of the points Arbiter just made.

Also, if the blade really is only 1000°C that's more of a knock against the durability of the Transformers side, that's really not very hot, as again, you need ~1400°C for Steel.

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

As an aside, and as a somewhat tasteless joke. Cthulhu formerly petitions for "Energon Swords can't melt Steel Beams" to be a meme.

[moonknight11]

Optimus and the rest of the Autobots literally transform *into* cars and retain the same mass, so that argument really doesn't hold water. The dinobots are only, what, 2 or 3 times the mass of your everage Transformer?

Optimus Prime transforms into a semi truck and apparently weighs 4.3 tons. The car's Maw lifted are probably like 2x lighter than him alone.



The dinobots are massive, idk what Maw is supposed to do here besides throw cars at them or something, which will be incredibly ineffective. Thanos and Cull are the only relevant ones here.

Sidenote: Optimus prime punching a charging giant metal dinosaur that weighs dozens of tons has got to be a pretty good feat no?

[Guy1]

[moonknight11]

Thinking about it, Grimlock is 3 times taller than Optimus prime, but he would be 27 times heavier. So he'd be more than 100 tons. Much smaller than a Leviathan, so still not good enough to beat Thanos or Cull.

[The Arbiter]

Optimus Prime transforms into a semi truck and apparently weighs 4.3 tons. The car's Maw lifted are probably like 2x lighter than him alone.



The dinobots are massive, idk what Maw is supposed to do here besides throw cars at them or something, which will be incredibly ineffective. Thanos and Cull are the only relevant ones here.

Sidenote: Optimus prime punching a charging giant metal dinosaur that weighs dozens of tons has got to be a pretty good feat no?

I actually am onboard with just about everything you have suggested personally. Maw can provide distraction and run interference, but Cull and Thanos are the guys doing work here.

And yeah, that Dino Punch was legit. Not quite space whale punch level, but a really solid feat regardless.

[Guy1]

I actually am onboard with just about everything you have suggested personally. Maw can provide distraction and run interference, but Cull and Thanos are the guys doing work here.

And yeah, that Dino Punch was legit. Not quite space whale punch level, but a really solid feat regardless.

Could Maw improv a fastball special by throwing Cull at the robots?