MCU Thanos and Black Order vs Bay Optimus,Bumble Bee and Dinobots.

[CliffHanger2]

How about the Russo brothers? How about the fact that every time he uses the IG, he needs to close his fist or make a gesture (snapping) to the point where it's a literal plot point that Tony and Strange try their best to exploit? "Dont let him close his fist" Strange says before sending his cloak. Tony plugs the palm of his hand with nanobots. Spiderman webs it specifically.

That and every time a stone is used, a corresponding color flashes from the stone. No flash during the Hulk fight. And it's not exactly wildly out of character for Thanos being able to bust Hulk up sans stones. That's a typical Tuesday in comics.

Eh the Russo bros aren't exactly authorities on this type of thing but I'll allow it. Here's the thing every time Thanos is blocking an artillery/energy attack you're right he is using the IG. So without it he's pretty much dead meat from a TF projectile attack. Nothing to suggest otherwise.

[master of read]

How about the Russo brothers? How about the fact that every time he uses the IG, he needs to close his fist or make a gesture (snapping) to the point where it's a literal plot point that Tony and Strange try their best to exploit? "Dont let him close his fist" Strange says before sending his cloak. Tony plugs the palm of his hand with nanobots. Spiderman webs it specifically.

That and every time a stone is used, a corresponding color flashes from the stone. No flash during the Hulk fight. And it's not exactly wildly out of character for Thanos being able to bust Hulk up sans stones. That's a typical Tuesday in comics.

i think it was something we discussed a few times when MCU thanos was brought up.

[The Arbiter]

Eh the Russo bros aren't exactly authorities on this type of thing but I'll allow it. Here's the thing every time Thanos is blocking an artillery/energy attack you're right he is using the IG. So without it he's pretty much dead meat from a TF projectile attack. Nothing to suggest otherwise.

Do you particularly feel those TF weapons are throwing out well in excess of the damage required to say, one shot a giant space whale that is itself durable enough to headbutt skyscrapers without harm as it's modus operandi? And if so, based on what?

Because blows from a guy that CAN one shot those space whales did all of nothing to him. Getting a building sized hunk of scrap dropped on him from Iron Man did nothing. Quills blasters did nothing. All direct hits.

[CliffHanger2]

Do you particularly feel those TF weapons are throwing out well in excess of the damage required to say, one shot a giant space whale that is itself durable enough to headbutt skyscrapers without harm as it's modus operandi? And if so, based on what?

Because blows from a guy that CAN one shot those space whales did all of nothing to him. Getting a building sized hunk of scrap dropped on him from Iron Man did nothing. Quills blasters did nothing. All direct hits.

That was a weakened Hulk and Hulk's blows are blunt force not projectiles or plasma,rays etc. Bumblebee vaporizes an ancient TF. You think Thanos without the IG can stand up to this?

[The Arbiter]

That was a weakened Hulk and Hulk's blows are blunt force not projectiles or plasma,rays etc. Bumblebee vaporizes an ancient TF. You think Thanos without the IG can stand up to this?

Why do you feel Hulk was weakened?

Why do you feel the need to separate forms of damage into seperate folders? He also takes heat and cutting damage just fine, being completely enveloped in explosives, blasted by lasers and catching magic swords.

Yes, I think he can tank everything in that clip just fine because of his displayed durability. Bumblebee blowing a chunk out of the head of a TF is not that impressive.

[master of read]

honestly, there was nothing to suggest that hulk was weakened in any way.

or is this one of those "marvel weakened hulk to make Thanos look good" arguments I've seen come up since IW dropped?

[CliffHanger2]

Why do you feel Hulk was weakened?

Why do you feel the need to separate forms of damage into seperate folders? He also takes heat and cutting damage just fine, being completely enveloped in explosives, blasted by lasers and catching magic swords.

Yes, I think he can tank everything in that clip just fine because of his displayed durability. Bumblebee blowing a chunk out of the head of a TF is not that impressive.

Blowing a chunk out the head? He disintegrated her. Where is Thanos showed tanking something like that without the IG?

[CliffHanger2]

honestly, there was nothing to suggest that hulk was weakened in any way.

or is this one of those "marvel weakened hulk to make Thanos look good" arguments I've seen come up since IW dropped?

Everybody else was trashed. If Hulk was 100% why didn't he just come out swinging from the jump?

[master of read]

Everybody else was trashed. If Hulk was 100% why didn't he just come out swinging from the jump?

that doesn't really answer my question of why you think hulk would be weakened.

[The Arbiter]

Blowing a chunk out the head? He disintegrated her. Where is Thanos showed tanking something like that without the IG?

Ohh, you meant the lady at the end.

Mk, a couple of ways of looking at that.
1: Bumblebee has never disintegrated anything in that fashion ever before.
2: that same gun of his only put a smoking hole in the head of a different TF like a minute earlier in the same clip. So maybe, being a fundamentally smaller and different TF means she has less durability?
3: she takes the hit from Bee. Several long moments pass where she seems ok, and then dissapears in a flash of blue, not even the orange light of heat / Bees weapon. Why the weird delay? It seems more like her body teleported or de-digitized or something. The actual impact of the blast didnt seem to do much and there was a weird delay.

Now again: why do you think Hulk was weakened? Why do you assume damage isn't just damage and try to seperate it into categories without context supporting it?

Thanos had Quill attach an explosive to his back that did squat. When Tony had his gauntlet gunked up with nanobots, he hit him with a full barrage. Nothing.

[The Arbiter]

Everybody else was trashed. If Hulk was 100% why didn't he just come out swinging from the jump?

You are creating your own head canon instead of accepting what the movie showed.

Hulk was clearly being held back as a trump card to hopefully blind side Thanos when he left his guard down. Why declare "we have a Hulk" and let Thanos seem so surprised if they had already beaten the guy up? Loki wouldnt be talking him up if he was thrashed earlier

[Guy1]

[Guy1]

[master of read]

keep in mind, this is the first time, to my knowledge, in the MCU that the hulk not only gets beaten one-on-one but dominated. so hulk has been booked pretty damn strong up to that point. so i'm still struggling to find out how he was "weakened".

[CliffHanger2]

Ohh, you meant the lady at the end.

Mk, a couple of ways of looking at that.
1: Bumblebee has never disintegrated anything in that fashion ever before.
2: that same gun of his only put a smoking hole in the head of a different TF like a minute earlier in the same clip. So maybe, being a fundamentally smaller and different TF means she has less durability?
3: she takes the hit from Bee. Several long moments pass where she seems ok, and then dissapears in a flash of blue, not even the orange light of heat / Bees weapon. Why the weird delay? It seems more like her body teleported or de-digitized or something. The actual impact of the blast didnt seem to do much and there was a weird delay.

Now again: why do you think Hulk was weakened? Why do you assume damage isn't just damage and try to seperate it into categories without context supporting it?

Thanos had Quill attach an explosive to his back that did squat. When Tony had his gauntlet gunked up with nanobots, he hit him with a full barrage. Nothing.

Uh uh. That'a an interpretation you're doing with Quintessa BB shot her and she disintegrated end of story. And damage isn't just damage when talking about superpowered chars cuz they have different weaknesses. e.g Sasquatch has taken punches from teh Thing/Hulk yet he's shown being vulnerable to bullets and spikes this is basic comicbook stuff.