Anyone Else now an Anti shared Universe person

[MindofShadow]

The last thing here is vile MCU hate. You seem to have forgotten many comic movies were around before the MCU. Most of them are better because they did not follow the cinematic universe concept. The Dark Knight would be weaker if Superman was helping out Batman, X2 will be weaker if Avengers showed up, not to mention derailed the entire movie, same for Superman in TDK. Spider-Man 2 will be weaker if he was endowed with Stark's Technology. Replace an older and wiser Aunt May from Spider-Man 1 with Tony Stark in Homecoming, you will see a better movie.

This is just made up stuff though.

MCU, despite being a shared universe, created numerous movies that were loved by critics and fans that either took advantage of the shared universe or basically ignored it.

That is the beauty of the shared universe... you can use it to enhance the movie or just simply not tie into anything and be a stand alone. The choice is up to the director/Feige for the most part.

[AndrewCrossett]

The DCCU's problems are in execution, not in structure.

[bobellis75]

No...thanks to this thread I now realize I want even more shared universes.

[AdamFTF]

The Cinematic Universe approach isn't bad at all if done right. One of the problems other studios have had with it is that they didn't realize that the cinematic universe is the icing and not the cake. Batman v Superman stopped cold for Wonder Woman to watch three videos. The Mummy spent so much time on set-up for its Dark Universe that it didn't bother being a decent Mummy movie. I mean, it's something mainly built on Easter eggs and post-credits bonus scenes.

Heck, it doesn't even have to be this ultra-organized, intricately plotted thing. Anyone else remember the first Iron Man movie where SHIELD seemed to be this small, new thing that couldn't even keep its anagram straight, with unassuming Phil Coulson as its face. And now it's this big, giant organization that's been around for decades.

[Comic-Reader Lad]

I think an old adage that is true in the case of Cinematic Universes is that "first impressions last."

If things start off on the right foot as far as the public consensus is concerned, then the Cinematic Universe was a good idea. If not, then you should just abandon it because all the behind-the-scenes course correction becomes the predominant focal point rather than the story that the Cinematic Universe is trying to tell.

All most people do with the DCEU is report on the backstage turmoil, which only leaves them with feelings of trepidation regarding the Cinematic Universe rather than a sense of anticipation for the next installment.

I've said this many times on CBR before, but it bears repeating: DC Films should abandon the idea of a Cinematic Universe in terms of telling chapters in the same story the way Marvel does. Rather, they should follow the successful approach of their CW shows: tell separate stories that exist in the same universe so that each character can chart its own course and succeed or fail without dragging the others down, but still leave room for the occasional crossover or cameo appearance in each other's films. So, it's still a shared universe, but not a shared storyline.

[Jim Kelly]

The problem with an unshared universe is that you have to retrofit the character to work in a universe that's very different from the comic book one.

This is more the case with Marvel than DC, because a lot of DC characters were created to exist in their own self-contained world, where most of the Marvel characters were created to exist in a shared universe. It's fustrating with the Fox X-Men or the Sony Spider-Man movies of the past, where they had to leave out the connections to other heroes and basic concepts of the Marvel Universe.

It's wonderful how all the characters connect with each other and the movies have to remove that from the story. Even with DC, the characters all eventually became intertwined in the comics and, if it's a stand alone movie, they have to leave out characters that should be important to the plot.

As a comic book reader, I can't help but be aware of the peripheral reality that should be just outside of frame.

[Cyke]

No...thanks to this thread I now realize I want even more shared universes.

The Tommy Westphall Cinematic Universe!

[Osiris-Rex]

It kind of sounds like Warner Bros is out of the shared universe concept. While not anti-shared universe, going forward WB seems to be going with solo movies that showcase individual characters or teams.
The Wonder Woman gave a taste of that. It would have worked just as well as if Wonder Woman had never been in BvS. And with Henry Cavill out, it looks like the Shazam movie will not be part of a
shared universe in the sense that nothing of other movies will relate to Shazam. Aquaman looks to be the same as Wonder Woman. Character introduced in Justice League, but the movie strands on its own.
As with Birds of Prey, just having Harley Quinn in it but probably not Batfleck. We probably won't get Batman in Suicide Squad 2 either. And then there is the Joker origin movie.

[Forseti]

The one thing I don't like about shared universes in comics, is how they tend to get "overpopulated" with "special" characters. It hasn't really happened in the movie universes yet. This is the reason why I don't like the idea of the MCU bringing in the Fox properties. I much prefer keeping them apart and each having their own distinct voice.

[jetengine]

Shared universes work fine. Just get someone competent to direct them. We've got the MCU and the Monsterverse.

[Wiccan]

"It did not really work for Spider-Man"

HOW, when Amazing Spider-Man were flops and Homecoming did great? lol.

[Cyke]

Does Star Wars count as a cinematic universe? It has spinoff films (not counting their other tie-in media).

[Osiris-Rex]

Shared universes work fine. Just get someone competent to direct them. We've got the MCU and the Monsterverse.

And when you don't get someone competent to direct them, things go to hell. You are putting all your eggs in one basket. With stand alone movies one bad movie doesn't drag the rest of them down.
Part of the failure of Justice League traces back to Batman v Superman. A large group of people didn't like BvS and so felt JL would be more of the same and stayed home. If BvS had never existed
it is possible more people would have showed up to see JL. Suicide Squad, no matter your opinion on the quality, did well because it wasn't dependent on other movies to establish the team. Justice
League could have been the same sort of thing. We know who Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Aquaman are. So just bring them together and go fight Darkseid.

[Osiris-Rex]

Does Star Wars count as a cinematic universe? It has spinoff films (not counting their other tie-in media).

Aren't all movies in a shared universe sort of spin-offs from the first movie in the franchise? The MCU spun off from Iron Man. The DCEU was spun off from Man of Steel. The Mummy was supposed to launch the Dark Universe.

[Cyke]

Aren't all movies in a shared universe sort of spin-offs from the first movie in the franchise? The MCU spun off from Iron Man. The DCEU was spun off from Man of Steel. The Mummy was supposed to launch the Dark Universe.

That's the question.

Star Wars, I imagine, would have more discussion since, for 7 movies, it was a single line of movies. Now with Rogue One, Solo, and future spinoffs, it's getting broader now like the other types of CUs we're used to seeing.