Storm >>> APPRECIATION <<<

[Havok83]

Did Taylor confirm this? Because otherwise I'm treating them both as identical.

Either way, Cassandra Nova is Cassandra Nova so even if they haven't met (which is fine, it only hurts the argument of that being why Storm was picked), we still know that Ororo can do nothing against her and likely, so does Cassandra.

Also, Rutog, I think you're massively underestimating Cassandra Nova. Her psychic powers are basically the strongest on the planet. Even more than, or as a match to, Jean's - which we've seen in issue one and issue four of Red to be incredibly skilled and formidable.

No, but she is wearing the outfit she had in New X-men, not UXF. She also made references to Jean not having the Phoenix this time, which was the case in New X-men, as the UXF version never faced Jean. Given that this book is about Jean, it makes sense that Taylor is using the one that Jean actually has history with

With that I do see your point in that Storm would be less effective against her than another TP

[rutog98]

Did Taylor confirm this? Because otherwise I'm treating them both as identical.

Either way, Cassandra Nova is Cassandra Nova so even if they haven't met (which is fine, it only hurts the argument of that being why Storm was picked), we still know that Ororo can do nothing against her and likely, so does Cassandra.

Also, Rutog, I think you're massively underestimating Cassandra Nova. Her psychic powers are basically the strongest on the planet. Even more than, or as a match to, Jean's - which we've seen in issue one and issue four of Red to be incredibly skilled and formidable.

Nova is a much stronger telepath than Jean as are many other psis when compared to Jean canonically. Nova, however, does not have the psychic feats to compete with Xavier or Shadow King, neither of whom could prevail against a non-PIS'd Storm's mental defenses.

[Chaos Reigns]

Ororo can shut down her nervous system with a passing thought by controlling the electrical impulses in her brain (same as she did to Sinister). She can batter her senseless (or even to death) with elemental barrages (we have seen Storm lift skyscrapers on her winds, knock back tsunami waves that weighed a million tons=1 billion pounds coming at her at hundreds and hundreds of miles per hour, we have seen Storm redirect the full power of a mutant strong enough to split the planet like a ripe melon, we have seen her blow up a Herald of Galactus, she just one-shotted Adversary recently in Black Panther nearly disintegrating him with her attack, she has destroyed near-Godzilla-sized monsters made up of vibranium with the force of her elemental fury, she can freeze the veins and heart in Nova's body, or control the air in her lungs, she can manipulate the pressure inside of Nova).

Here, we see Nova easily best Jean telepathically:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/3vVzxUlKtqa...HjDg0_MB=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/9tQQzaysVU5...MLRolwA8=s1600
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Jean does manage to separate her from Logan with a creative use of her TK powers, but doesn't even slow Nova down.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/CIh2n42PSB9...dfM6y4dI=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/Bw-QrkWq_ba...x7SVnv9D=s1600
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and then Emma strikes:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/k493CbI4tnW...g21thBjk=s1600

Well, now she fears Jean and not Ororo, huh? When Storm has been able to defeat psis stronger than Nova...

Looks like a lot of canon is about to be ignored for Jean in this story arc.

Nova doesn't have a nervous system, her body is not human. Cassie is stronger than Xavier so...

[Harpsikord]

Based on what? Nova could be affect by fire, hence when Jean telekinetic oxygen combustion trick threw her away from Logan and did damage to her armored suit. Lightning>>>Fire.

Also, Nova has no way of withstanding Storm's internal attacks, not to mention Storm has a MASSIVE advantage over Cassie Nova when it comes to physical powers plus Ororo's mental defenses which have bested psis stronger than Nova. On the other hand, we have already seen Nova easily take down Jean telepathically, and her TK was barely able to even slow Nova down.

Uncanny X-Force v2 #13 has a Storm v Cassandra showdown where Cassandra boasts that Storm's powers can do nothing against her, and it's shown that a blizzard isn't effecting her and lightning or anything else would have likely been the same.

There is also the fact that Storm's powers rely on a physical body which Cassandra does not possess.

Nova is a much stronger telepath than Jean as are many other psis when compared to Jean canonically. Nova, however, does not have the psychic feats to compete with Xavier or Shadow King, neither of whom could prevail against a non-PIS'd Storm's mental defenses.

Jean is being written in Red as one of or the strongest telepath on the planet. No one has done things like Jean has in Red without the help of Cerebro or Cerebra.

No, but she is wearing the outfit she had in New X-men, not UXF. She also made references to Jean not having the Phoenix this time, which was the case in New X-men, as the UXF version never faced Jean. Given that this book is about Jean, it makes sense that Taylor is using the one that Jean actually has history with

With that I do see your point in that Storm would be less effective against her than another TP

Wait, the UXF one never faced off against Jean? I didn't actually know that. I just thought they didn't touch on her past history.

[rutog98]

How many times has Storm been successfully mind-controlled? I can only think of a few times:

- The Mojo annual where she got turned into an X-baby.
- The X-tinction agenda where she got turned into a mutate.
- The Asgard Wars story with the hammer (though she broke out of that on her own eventually).

There were several telepaths that tried and failed to control her (Nanny, Psylocke under Nanny's control, Shadow King, Skrull-Xavier, etc).

I stopped reading regularly after Claremont left, so I don't know how the later writers have treated Storm's indomitable will, so maybe that's not canon anymore.

In the case of Skrull-Xavier, let's not forget that Skrull had not only Xavier's psi-powers, but Psylocke's and Oracle's powers added to Xavier's.

Then, there is also Bogan, who was a Xavier-level telepath on his own, and added to Bogan's power was that of Rachel. Storm's mental defenses crushed the combined psi of Bogan+Rachel when he came after her. Yeah, Cassie Nova isn't winning against Storm without some major PIS.

[rutog98]

Uncanny X-Force v2 #13 has a Storm v Cassandra showdown where Cassandra boasts that Storm's powers can do nothing against her, and it's shown that a blizzard isn't effecting her and lightning or anything else would have likely been the same.

There is also the fact that Storm's powers rely on a physical body which Cassandra does not possess.

I'm gonna have to see more than her withstand a mere blizzard. Not to mention, Storm also has her internal attacks she can use against Nova.

[Havok83]

Uncanny X-Force v2 #13 has a Storm v Cassandra showdown where Cassandra boasts that Storm's powers can do nothing against her, and it's shown that a blizzard isn't effecting her and lightning or anything else would have likely been the same.

There is also the fact that Storm's powers rely on a physical body which Cassandra does not possess.

Yeah last time we saw her in AXM, she left without a physical body to use as a host. She appears to still be in astral form. Only a telepath is going to be able to touch her. Storm's power are ineffective

[Harpsikord]

I'm gonna have to see more than her withstand a mere blizzard. Not to mention, Storm also has her internal attacks she can use against Nova.

No she doesn't. Cassandra Nova doesn't have a physical body. Are you sure that you know who we're talking about?

[rutog98]

Nova doesn't have a nervous system, her body is not human.

Where was it established that she doesn't have a nervous system? Her body is human, hence Wolverine was able to sever her vocal chords:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/NsOxMVrzVhk...dBtjnRrb=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/0FmTcSFT7ck...WFzfxHTP=s1600

She healed them later, though: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/3vVzxUlKtqa...HjDg0_MB=s1600

[rutog98]

No she doesn't. Cassandra Nova doesn't have a physical body. Are you sure that you know who we're talking about?

Uh-huh, and that is why Wolverine could cut her vocal chords, right? That is why Emma Frost could break her neck, right? That's why her healing factor fixes up her TISSUE DAMAGE, right? The lady has a physical body.

[Havok83]

Where was it established that she doesn't have a nervous system? Her body is human, hence Wolverine was able to sever her vocal chords:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/NsOxMVrzVhk...dBtjnRrb=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/0FmTcSFT7ck...WFzfxHTP=s1600

She healed them later, though: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/3vVzxUlKtqa...HjDg0_MB=s1600

Astonishing X-men by Whedon. All that stuff in New X-men was from her first appearance before AXM. She returned in that series and tried to use Kitty as her physical host. They were seperated and Nova was last seen escaping without a physical body. She's essentially a psionic ghost
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Uh-huh, and that is why Wolverine could cut her vocal chords, right? That is why Emma Frost could break her neck, right? That's why her healing factor fixes up her TISSUE DAMAGE, right? The lady has a physical body.

bc she had one then. Canonically, she does not anymore. It was destroyed in New X-men, which is why she tried to find a new one the first time she returned

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Where was it established that she doesn't have a nervous system? Her body is human, hence Wolverine was able to sever her vocal chords:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/NsOxMVrzVhk...dBtjnRrb=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/0FmTcSFT7ck...WFzfxHTP=s1600

She healed them later, though: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/3vVzxUlKtqa...HjDg0_MB=s1600

Charles killed her as a baby. She survived as a clump of cells on a sewer wall. Her body died and it was a miscarriage.

[Supernature]

Phew...

The big X on the belly is kinda dumb but otherwise the new costume is a vast improvement over that dated Gold costume.

[rutog98]

Astonishing X-men by Whedon. All that stuff in New X-men was from her first appearance before AXM. She returned in that series and tried to use Kitty as her physical host. They were seperated and Nova was last seen escaping without a physical body. She's essentially a psionic ghost

Nova has been restored to her physical body in Red. Even if she weren't, however, she would still be a mass of psychic energy running around the streets of New York. Storm could still fry her if she tried to enter Ororo's mind unbidden and her lightning should still be able to harm her. We saw Storm's lightning hurt Xavier's astral form, for instance. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/uSDgw4fOJXU...n3iGoQom=s1600

Nova isn't beating Ororo without PIS.

[rutog98]

Charles killed her as a baby. She survived as a clump of cells on a sewer wall. Her body died and it was a miscarriage.

Exactly, she survived as a clump of cells, in other words, she has a physical body. If Storm were the killing type, she could just incinerate Nova with a lightning bolt destroying every single cell. Also, her electrical powers can wreak havok on psionic energy.