Storm >>> APPRECIATION <<<

[ZNOP]

While I am grateful to Pak for the creative ways in which he applied Storm's powers, I told Omegastorm in private via PM messages that the book was not going to last when I just saw the soliciations of Callisto, Forge, and Yukio back to back. He asked me not to lampoon the book before it got out there, so I respected his wishes, but I didn't hold back in my private conversations with him. I told him that Pak is rehashing "Storm's Greatest Hits of the 80s" and that the book is going to fail. I told him those kinds of stories were old and tired and only die hard Storm fans would buy those books and only in support of the character and her solo title. He should have written bigger stories and challenged Storm with big-gun A-list Marvel villains with earth-shattering powers. He should have started out with a bang bringing on MASSIVELY powerful bad guys Storm had not yet faced before, but had loads of reader appeal.

Thanos is a massively powerful bad guy with loads of reader appeal...

[rutog98]

Thanos is a massively powerful bad guy with loads of reader appeal...

A cosmic arc with Storm vs. Thanos would have been exactly what the doctor ordered to start out her solo title. Personally, I would go with Ego, The Living Planet, but Thanos would do as well. Blackheart, Hela, or Mephisto would have also worked.

[BBeeryan]

While I am grateful to Pak for the creative ways in which he applied Storm's powers, I told Omegastorm in private via PM messages that the book was not going to last when I just saw the soliciations of Callisto, Forge, and Yukio back to back. He asked me not to lampoon the book before it got out there, so I respected his wishes, but I didn't hold back in my private conversations with him. I told him that Pak is rehashing "Storm's Greatest Hits of the 80s" and that the book is going to fail. I told him those kinds of stories were old and tired and only die hard Storm fans would buy those books and only in support of the character and her solo title. He should have written bigger stories and challenged Storm with big-gun A-list Marvel villains with earth-shattering powers. He should have started out with a bang bringing on MASSIVELY powerful bad guys Storm had not yet faced before, but had loads of reader appeal.

Something I was always hesitant to admit, for all of Pak's forward momentum on the power front he definitely settled in on her safe tropes and character beats. Nothing was innovative other than the application of her powers. Sad to say.

Thanos is a massively powerful bad guy with loads of reader appeal...

Ordinarily I'd say do not get Rutog started. But with the addition of Coates-lore, this is now fully within the realm of possibility. Thanos better tread lightly. And he certainly better not bring his purple ass back to Wakanda now that The All-Goddess, Weather Witch, Ororo Komo Wakandas, Windrider, The Walker of Clouds, La Reine Storm, The Goddess who Preserves the Balance of all Natural Things, Ororo Iqadi T'Challa, The Queen of Prophecy, Hadari Yao, The Bright Lady, The Rightful Queen of Wakanda has returned to the throne! All-Goddes be praised!

[RLAAMJR.]

You have some excellent points in this post. One thing I would like to point out, though, is Claremont did state in an interview that Storm was a 3-dimensional goddess. Then we saw her ascend to goddesshood in the Roguestorm arc spanning from Uncanny X-Men 145-147. What I can really appreciate about Coates is he is taking this whole "goddess" aspect of the character that has been there from the start and is finally building on it. The problem is, I seriously doubt the x-writers are going to continue with this development once Coates is no longer with Marvel. I see them do things like trying to prop up Jeen even at the expense of other characters (she recently TK hit Galactus in a PIS story that drastically wrote down the planet devourer for her to do that). I have a nagging suspicion that the x- office probably wants Storm scaled back to make Jeen the number 1 eventhough Ororo is far more powerful than she when Storm isn't being written down. Its a problem that has always been there. I'll explain more below (I've ranted on this before, but I'm gonna do it again...so sue me!):

When Storm first went into outter space, she was able to control the solar wind and use those forces to generate an attack backed by the full power of a star. A few issues later, when the rocket the team was traveling in was assaulted by a solar flare, Storm was scaled back in order for the Phoenix Force Jean Grey thing to happen. Given what Storm had done in an earlier issue, she should have been able to take control of the solar flare and either move it away from the team or simply disperse it. Furthermore, it wasn't until after Phoenix Force Jean Grey died that Storm's character development building her mental defenses against telepathy began in Uncanny 151-152. This was something that was constantly developed for the remainder of Claremont's initial run. Ororo's willpower grew to the extent that is surpassed everyone else's and no single telepath could prevail against her mental defenses. On top of this, we see Storm once more controlling cosmic forces with PF Jean Grey no longer on the team in the "Brood Saga".

After this, when Jean was brought back into the fold, all of a sudden, Storm's metal defenses were ignored. Till this day, no writer, even Chris Claremont, has ever given Storm her mental defenses when Jean was on the roster. Not one time has Storm kept a telepath out of her mind while Jean was on the team. However, when Jean is taken off the team, Storm gets her mental defenses back. Claremont, Alan Davis, Chris Yost, Hudlin, McDuffie, Coates, and the guy who wrote "Wolverine and the X-Men" where Storm was headmistress of the school all wrote Storm with her defenses when Jean was not on the team.

I used to make the excuse that maybe Storm was scaled back over the last few years because the writers were not creative and Storm's powers could easily deal with any threat the X-Men face. Not only this, but she can easily overshadow the rest of the team. I have changed my mind on this theory, though, when looking at what is going on with Jeen and what Guggenheim seems to be doing with Rachel based on that story where she saves the team from sentinels. It seems to me the office wants to prop up Jean and lessen Storm who would be a threat to Jeen's position as the top X-Man. I can't help but wonder if there is a racist element to this. If Storm were white, dollars to donuts they would have explored her goddess thing a long time ago and she would have been labelled an omega mutant or omega plus from day 1. That brings me to my last point: Omega Mutants.

Originally, omega mutants were those who had the potential to rival even the major abstract entities of the MU. In other words, if these mutants reached their full potential, the would be able to go toe-to-toe with an abstract. These were characters who potentially unlimited power. Originally, Jean would have fit in the category because she had the potential to host the Phoenix Force, something only a few other characters can do. So, with the power of the Phoenix Force, she would be able to fight an abstract since the PF is an abstract cosmic entity. This however, should be nullified since now anybody can now serve as host to the PF.

The other character, Iceman, who was labelled an omega on day 1 was pure PIS. This guy's powerset includes the ability to remove heat from his target spot (he likely shunts the heat off to another dimension...at least, that's my theory), ice and water control, transform into ice, and merge his consciousness with bodies of water. Its a strong powerset, but nowhere near strong enough to fight characters like Galactus and other abstracts. Anybody with powerful control over the power cosmic and anyone who can control matter at the sub-atomic level (ala Sersi) could cream him in a fight. His powerset is no defense against such attacks.

Meanwhile, Storm, who was intended to be a goddess from day 1 under Len's pen and who was given power to rival that of Phoenix Force Jean Grey under CC's pen was overlooked to be an omega. Her powerset is the ability to percieve the universe as patterns of energy and forces she can bend to her will. This was established early on. The POTENTIAL applications of her powerset easily competes with that of the Phoenix Force and is leaps and bounds ahead of Bobby's, yet Iceman gets labelled an omega and Storm is just an alpha alongside people like Cyclops and Wolverine? I would not be surprised if this was done again to prop up Jean. Call me paranoid if you want, but this is a theme with Ororo when it comes to the redhead.

As things stand right now, I think Ororo should be labelled an Omega-Plus mutant alongside Franklin Richards and Selene (thanks to "Necrosha"). This should be the class of mutants who can potentially match and beat the Cosmic Abstracts in battle. Jean should not be in this category since its nothing special anymore to be host to the PF.

Underneath this class should be the omegas. Jean, Emma, Iceman, Magneto, Apocalypse, Sinister, Bishop, and Exodus should be in this class of mutants.

Underneath them should be the Alphas. In this group should be Cyclops, Wolverine, and Banshee with Polaris being on the border between Alpha and Omega class.

Anyway, bottom line is, when Coates leaves Marvel, the development he gave us with Storm with be forgotten in the dustpan of history by other writers. I have outlined in this post why I think it will be ignored...

End of rant!

PS. I don't have a problem with Marvel making other characters powerful and giving them their moments to shine, I just don't want Storm held back for other characters. Give Ororo her due!

Omg. Rutog98 is back and with his long essays.

[RLAAMJR.]

They should be but they never have been drawn that way... Why start now?

I believe that they know Storm's eyebrows should be white but making it black makes her eyebrows more visible and easier to execute

[butterflykyss]

Then you can point to at least one book (title and issue please) that emphatically shows Ororo drawn with white eyebrows -- if such an issue exists then I'm sure I have it -- I'll be glad to post said pages...

well hello what do you think about the ALL-GODDESS most recent upgrade?

While I am grateful to Pak for the creative ways in which he applied Storm's powers, I told Omegastorm in private via PM messages that the book was not going to last when I saw the soliciations of Callisto, Forge, and Yukio back to back. He asked me not to lampoon the book on the boards before it got out there, so I respected his wishes, but I didn't hold back in my private conversations with him. I told him that Pak is rehashing "Storm's Greatest Hits of the 80s" and that the book was going to fail. I told him those kinds of stories were old and tired and only die hard Storm fans would buy those books and only in support of the character and her solo title. He should have written bigger stories and challenged Storm with big-gun A-list Marvel villains with earth-shattering powers. He should have started out with a bang bringing on MASSIVELY powerful bad guys Storm had not yet faced before, but had loads of reader appeal.

well ur absolutely right. I just think he was too safe with her ultimately. but I agree no one wants to keep revisiting them same dried up plots.

I think the Fox license is a huge reason why the X-Lore has been circling the drain for the past decade or more. Marvel doesn't want to develop any new content for Fox to play with, so they just had the X-Men destroy themselves(No More Mutant is mutant SW(and an Avenger) destroying mutantkind, and then the Messiah Complex is all the greatest hits in a blender, and destroys the mutants' moral high ground by making them proactive killers), and then parlay the X-Men against their own properties(the Avengers and then Inhumans). Now they have reverted to Claremontism in Gold, without covering any new ground(Kitty and Piotr, the rest of the cast just bumbling about), Blue is just revisions of the O5 and Ultimate Wolvie, and Astonishing is the 90's stars(Archangel, Rogue, Gambit, Psylocke, Bishop) plus some villains and other recent fan favorites(Fantomex and Mystique). Literally no new ground is being forged in the entire line.

And of course Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch and his children, so don't expect anything more than Magneto love-fest over there.

ok fair point. I just meant in terms of storm doing of value with her isn't due to the marvel fox wars. but I agree with wat u said

I know of two easy examples, but I know there are a few scattered appearances over the years.

love the variant cover

Things will definitely get interesting. There's always a chance we could get a nod to a Goddess of the Serengeti. Lol who knows?

We Storm know what's really up. The question is Marvel ballsy enough to admit? Of course not.

No, it isn't. Yona Harvey and Coates both need a shit a flagship X-title.

Barring World's Apart and her solo by Pak, what are some Storm-centric or Storm-defining arc within X-men comic?

i really tried but I couldn't think of any very pathetic

[butterflykyss]

[Celestial]

I believe that they know Storm's eyebrows should be white but making it black makes her eyebrows more visible and easier to execute

I'm sorry, but white eyebrows just look super weird to me. I prefer then black.

[BlkGldBlu]

Just picked up my my latest issue and Gold1-10
And alot of your ideas are awsome.

This new power.

I think the major emphasis on the "Walker of clouds" aka Windrider could be at play. Are we about to explore the lore of her mystical side? Is this where this new abilities come from?

[butterflykyss]

Just picked up my my latest issue and Gold1-10
And alot of your ideas are awsome.

This new power.

I think the major emphasis on the "Walker of clouds" aka Windrider could be at play. Are we about to explore the lore of her mystical side? Is this where this new abilities come from?

possibly.. it's the only thing I could imagine that would explain this. been a long time coming though.

what were thoughts on this issue versus how storm is in gold?

[Celestial]

possibly.. it's the only thing I could imagine that would explain this. been a long time coming though.

what were thoughts on this issue versus how storm is in gold?

Storm is in gold? Never seen her there

[BlkGldBlu]

I'm on 6. Her appearances are always an assist to the team or to move or set up some of the tone or foreshadowing. But the whole thing is Kitty and Rachel story.
I hate Kitty barking orders. Like the writer was upset he couldn't write Cyclops.

[butterflykyss]

Storm is in gold? Never seen her there

perfect response lol!

flawless victory!

I'm on 6. Her appearances are always an assist to the team or to move or set up some of the tone or foreshadowing. But the whole thing is Kitty and Rachel story.
I hate Kitty barking orders. Like the writer was upset he couldn't write Cyclops.

that's all gold is the kitty show with others . it doesn't change by issue 10 either so if u liking it enjoy the ride lol

[Havok83]

Didnt Kitty boot up a Storm Doombot in Gold?

[LordAllMIghty]

Didnt Kitty boot up a Storm Doombot in Gold?

That would explain so much. The real Storm is hanging with T'Challa, while Stormbot zap stuff with lightning and randomly kiss people

I think you need a gold star.