Dude, you literally asked me if he can hit a guy who blind-arrow-catches a narrow from an expert archer and I give you an example of him hitting with a move that would split Batman in half, on a guy who blind-arrow-catches a narrow from an expert archer. What gives?Reflex performances to suggest he's pulling that off on the guy who does no look arrow catches on an arrow shot from behind him by the likes of Green Arrow?
(Or on another occasion with Ollie directly shooting at his back, turning around, looking to the shot, and proceeding to split it in mid air with a batarang, for instance)
Batman hits people who catch bullets, with no problem whatsoever. By your logic, how fast does that make Batman?
Remember before you answer that you said this:
In fact, Batman has hit all kinds of outright superspeedsters, going by the logic of your arguments, how fast is Batman?Well, Loki did a no-look arrow-catch from Hawkeye, in the middle of a very loud and crowded battle, on an air speeder, and Cap had no problem whatsoever tagging Loki several times.
Remember, I'm looking for consistency with your statements.
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I asked for reaction feats for Captain America, and provided a couple from Batman for comparison. The only thing you could come up with is "Cap hit a guy who himself has a comparable reaction time performance"
For you to be any kind of consistent with yourself, that now means you think Batman is what, hypersonic speed at least? He hits all kinds of guys with reaction showings he himself has otherwise nothing comparable to.
That's what's up.
(No, I don't think that, but then again I'm not the one saying "Cap hit Loki and Loki caught an arrow, therefore Cap has performed equivalently to them feats").
Why are you trying to talk about how any of these people could "end Batman in one move" then talking about "comics would make that not matter" with regards reflexes. In comics, Batman can somehow emerge unscathed from massive explosions. In comics, Batman can somehow be alive after a beating from a Superman who thinks he's fighting one of his more potent villains.
What standard would you like to argue with? The one the board you're posting on uses, where we weigh characters for their capabilities and don't consider that they'll conveniently forget them for the sake of a fight, or "in comics", where nothing remotely of what you have said would matter, because if the writer has wished it so, Batman can get into fights with metahumans well beyond the ones we're talking about here and yet hold his own somehow.
No, I asked for reflex performances and you gave me "Cap hit a guy who he's done nothing like that guy's reflex performances".
I then said "so in order for you not to have complete double standards, doesn't that mean Batman is as fast or faster than all the speedy people he's hit?"
You then defaulted to "well in comics speed wouldn't matter for not getting hit" instead of answering my question.
At which point you run into the problem that in comics, nothing you have been talking about for how powerful someone is would matter either.
Not even remotely close, but he sure hits people who can a whole bunch. And your logic is already what it is.
Deathstroke, FTL?
edit: in fact, forget Deathstroke, the Flash's non speedster rogues gallery who hit him just all the time, and who otherwise have no enhanced speed showings whatsoever, they're all FTL too, presumably?
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I know we've reached the place of "the only feats that count are Cap's strength feats, reflex feats don't matter for anything", but here's another reflex performance for Batman.
In the span of all of an eyeblink, Batman switches out a pair of teacups in front of him, sitting across from the guy who has poisoned them, such that there is no perceptible sound for his doing so nor sign of motion before or after said eyeblink.
Comparable reaction performance from Captain America?
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Is kicking a tree down that far below MCU cap? It seems a peer strength feat with what MCU cap regularly pulls out.
Imo Bruce would lose to BP alone in this match, but I'm iffy on the strength comparisons.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure I can guess where this thread is going to go, so, PIS, the thing of "people don't forget their abilities for the sake of plot" as far as board standards. The same standard that means Cap could remember that he's strong enough to do things like said helicopter or motorcycle stuff as far as how much damage he could do to someone instead of the times where he performs.. not at that capacity, and thus hit people with that force, is the exact same standard of that someone who is demonstrably faster than the other person will remember that they could avoid the other person's blows via said being demonstrably faster, while also thereby landing their own.
Or: if Cap can recall how much stronger he is for this fight, then Batman can recall that his reflex time, as far as either feats or as far as not having glaring double standards, is considerably beyond Cap in exchange as far as Cap either hitting him, or indeed, not getting hit by him. Anything else is basically having one standard for one character and what you might call, let's say, a second standard for a different character.
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