Hi Everyone,
I think we should maybe start a thread where we collect all the queer subtexts and homoeroticism written into the X-Men lore over the years. Chris Claremont and Bryan Singer in particular have been quite evident with their subtleties.
I start with some I remember:
Storm & Yukio. This entire relationship is obviously a lot more than friendship:
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Xavier and Magneto...just get a room already!
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Nightcrawler and Logan? What is going on here? #BeerBottleErection
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Iceman's Outing(s):
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09-20-2018, 03:03 AM #1Spectacular Member
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The queer archive: Gay subtext in x-men comics
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09-20-2018, 03:07 AM #2Spectacular Member
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"You can convince me to do anything!"
Kitty, Kitty, Kitty...
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09-20-2018, 03:12 AM #3Spectacular Member
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The subtext that became canon:
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"They became LOVERS."
The last image also shows Nightcrawler's real biological parents!!!
I think it is time to make Mystique genderqueer again. She clearly is not cis and Eric Raven is Nightcrawler's father. Telling the story who is Nightcrawler's mother in the comicbooks would be so amazing!!! Azazel needs to vanish from Nightcrawler's past anyway!
Iceman:
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09-21-2018, 04:12 AM #4BANNED
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Destiny is dead, and having Mystique assume a male form to get a woman pregnant who looks like she went through menopause 70 years ago just isn't a compelling LGBT story. Keep Mystique as she is.
Originally Posted by Quentin
I'm gay btw.
While I'm glad they decided to make Iceman gay, interpreting every act or friendship or love between two same sex characters as gay is just plain silly. Just because someone is friends with someone or cares for them does not mean they are interested in pursuing a sexual relationship.
With Disney having the X-Men rights back there's no chance we'll see a Storm/Yukio relationship as we'll see Storm in a Black Panther movie soon enough.
We won't see Wolverine and Nightcrawler as gay either.
Iceman made sense to be revealed as gay. This was a character who had been extremely underdeveloped and despite his powers and being one of the founding X-Men was just used as a class clown (not the best one at that).
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09-21-2018, 04:16 AM #5Ultimate Member
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Who knows for Storm given that Marvel doesn't have her rights back yet, and depending on how they do the X-Men, as in a reboot or not...not sure that they'd have Storm like 10 years older than the O5 at the very start...Storm could be mentioned in the next movie or so as one of BP's ex's...or he could look through a photo album or a painting or something on the wall with Storm in it...
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Kevin Feige is already making plans and it's announced he will be controlling the X-Men as Disney said they will not have two Marvels. Originally Posted by LoganAlpha30X33
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09-21-2018, 04:21 AM #7Namaste
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I think it's just as likely they keep Ororo young, but introduce her in BP anyways, just not as a love interest. There's no way they would waste Lupita like that when they didn't even have her betray T'Challa and help Killmonger like she did in the comics. Not that I think they would actually make MCU Ororo queer either, but I actually don't think they'll start with a 35/40 year old Storm. Or any of the X-Men for that matter, outside of maybe Charles(who should line up with T'Challa and Stephen age-wise, even if they don't do Illuminati straight up). Originally Posted by LoganAlpha30X33
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I disagree. I think we urgently need trans representation in every media. I know many gay men who have no sensitivity when it comes to trans identities although they claim to be proud members of the LGBTQ+ community. I think Mystique could be revealed to be trans would make an compelling story. Why not? Originally Posted by WallStreeter
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09-21-2018, 04:30 AM #9Namaste
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I think it actually trivializes real trans people(and their real struggles) by making Raven, an actual metamorph[who can easily slip between forms in a utilitarian manner], portrayed as trans. Raven is already a bi-leaning lesbian. That's good enough. Cloud might be a better character to reframe as trans, and having Bobby re-examine his relationship with them would actually cut to your point more effectively. If not just create a new character so as to focus their backstory and arc completely with this in mind. Originally Posted by Quentin
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https://community.cbr.com/attachment...chmentid=71063 Originally Posted by Quentin
Is Eric Raven really Nightcrawler's dad? I thought it was Azazel?
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Actually, with Raven and Irene just look to the house of M . Ravens supposed secret desire which was to be with Logan and Kurt her loving son. Don't like it but will that ever be addressed with Raven demanding for Irene ? Originally Posted by Quentin
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Ha you're sooo right! Originally Posted by From The Shadows
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11-04-2020, 03:26 AM #13Astonishing Member
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Who needs subtext when you have beer bottles?
Interesting thing is, that’s Kurt’s beer on the table, Wolvie is holding his own, open bottle in his right hand, you can see it if you zoom in. Not that I have studied this picture at all, mind you, just mentioning it in passing*.
*Okay, so I might have deconstructed it, pixel by beautiful pixel...
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It’s even more beautiful without the lettering.
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09-20-2018, 03:41 AM #14Fantastic Member
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The beer bottle erection thing was done as a joke though. Originally Posted by Quentin
Like this thread.
On a serious note though, did I stumble onto Tumblr? Whats with the Magneto x Xavier stuff?DC, please give Jonah Hex a new solo.
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so queer subtext is only a joke to you? Maybe don't come into this thread if you do not understand the affective dimension of this debate! Originally Posted by Colt Cape
The beer bottle erection thing was done as a joke though.
Like this thread.
On a serious note though, did I stumble onto Tumblr? Whats with the Magneto x Xavier stuff?
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