Where is the Flash in Doomsday Clock and will he have a role in this ?

[Cmbmool]

I don't think so. This story (as it has been presented so far) is not really about the Flash, so I don't think he will end up as a big part of the story. Also, Barry does not need redemption at all, and I think DC's writers know this.

Yet Wally West was the one that warned Barry and the others of Doomsday Clock almost a similar way Barry did in COIE and we all know how much Geoff Johns likes to reference the original Crisis on Infinite Earths event.

Shouldn’t that matter at all in the long scheme of things ?

[DebkoX]

Both Flashes are currently dead or in the Speed Force.... If You mean Barry Allen, Second Fastest Man alive, then probably (Sorry Barry Fans, I’m just offput by Heroes in Crisis and that Barry had Wally committed.) Barry really could use some moral redemption with all he now knows about what changed when he tried to save his mother, technically he did nothing wrong but he should still earn the Clear Slate Johns gave him with Manhattan Ex-Machina

Ooops wish I didn't read this.

[Arsenal]

To be fair, while I have done my fair share of complaining about the lack of Superman in Doomsday Clock, issue 7 has made it clear that Johns was correct when he said that "Superman IS the story", which myself and others mistakenly took as meaning that Doomsday Clock would be a Superman story.

If Superman is the entire reason for Doc Manhattan's actions, then, yeah, Superman IS the story, even if he won't start playing an active role in the story until the back half.

Oh no, I understand that. It's just that if it took them 7 issues out of 12 to get to the "Superman IS the story", I wouldn't expect any flash to have a major role in the story when one has yet to even appear.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Well, piracy is trouble for sure, but they only need to stay ahead of the curve for a few weeks.

I don't follow. What do you mean? New issues of pirated comics come out almost immediately after they become available. Why would that be different in China, where piracy is even more widespread?

[mrbrklyn]

don't follow. What do you mean? New issues of pirated comics come out almost immediately after they become available. Why would that be different in China, where piracy is even more widespread?

If you get the books on the news stand at the supermarket and they are brought on impulse, you can sell 500,000 of them, and then who cares if they show up on the internet in a few weeks, or even in a few days.

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Yet Hal redeemed himself while Barry never got the chance to.

To quote Batman from Infinite Crisis, another Geoff Johns written event: The last time Barry inspired anyone was when he was dead.

There's nothing left to redeem. Wally West already did it in Rebirth when he explicitly stated that Barry's attempt the restore the timeline after Thrawne had altered it gave Dr. Manhattan the opportunity to strike at history. There's no way Barry could have known that. Given Barry's predilection for self-flagellation, I'm sure he no doubt blames himself, but that doesn't make it true.

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If you get the books on the news stand at the supermarket and they are brought on impulse, you can sell 500,000 of them, and then who cares if they show up on the internet in a few weeks, or even in a few days.

I don't think you are understanding me. Pirated comics are available before they even get to stores. Why would people go to the store when they can download it immediately without even leaving their couch?

[mrbrklyn]

I don't think you are understanding me. Pirated comics are available before they even get to stores. Why would people go to the store when they can download it immediately without even leaving their couch?

Because they see it on the check out counter as they are walking out of the supermarket.....

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Because they see it on the check out counter as they are walking out of the supermarket.....

Why would they spend money on it if they already have it on their phone for free?

[lemonpeace]

Why would they spend money on it if they already have it on their phone for free?

To support the industry. People pirate and/or stream music for free all the time but they still buy the album to support their favorite artist and the novelty of owning a record. If comics are more readily available people will still buy it because owning a physical copy is different from reading on your phone or tablet. Industry still takes a hit tho...

[mrbrklyn]

Why would they spend money on it if they already have it on their phone for free?

They are going to see it and then they will buy it. It is not hard to understand. They might not even have it on their phone or anywhere else. They see it on a rack, and flip through the pages and laugh and buy it.

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They are going to see it and then they will buy it. It is not hard to understand. They might not even have it on their phone or anywhere else. They see it on a rack, and flip through the pages and laugh and buy it.

It's not as easy to understand as you might think. I don't know how much time you've spent in Asia, but the Chinese market is a very different animal than the American one. Piracy is so much a part of the culture, it's far more likely that they'll see it on the rack, flip through the pages, laugh and download it for free from the hundreds of Chinese pirate sites. There's also massive levels of corruption on virtually every level of society to the point where DC could potentially have plenty of headaches dealing with censorship and distribution unless enough palms were greased at various stages. The current trade war won't help this, particularly when it comes to American products.

The Chinese audience is sometimes very leery when American companies attempt to market specifically to them. Marvel attempted it with Iron Man 3 and they got lambasted. An American comics company attempting to court the Chinese market by making one of their most prominent heroes Chinese might not be as warmly received as you might think, which is why I was so curious about how New Superman sold in China or if it is even available due to its sometimes unflattering portrayal of the Chinese government, which is a big deal breaker for a lot of art.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

To support the industry. People pirate and/or stream music for free all the time but they still buy the album to support their favorite artist and the novelty of owning a record. If comics are more readily available people will still buy it because owning a physical copy is different from reading on your phone or tablet. Industry still takes a hit tho...

That may work in the West, but that is not generally the Asian view of piracy of virtually everything--games, movies, music, TV shows, books, comics, you name it, they'll pirate it and not think twice about.

That may eventually change, but that's not how it is right now unfortunately.

[Dr. Ellingham]

There's nothing left to redeem.

No, no, no:

"Not again! The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And I will make Barry PAY for what he's done!"

[Buried Alien]

There's nothing left to redeem.

Some people won't rest until Barry redeems those awful tweed jackets he used to wear back in the 60s.

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