Star Trek: All of Em

[C_Miller]

I can look at the Southern Border crisis, the Foreign policy debacle of Afghanistan and likely looming Ukraine, rapid inflation and other factors and wonder how one thinks any of this is Progressive? How is it any good for the masses? Heck thanks to the rapid inflation the once touted magical $15 hour isn't enough to still get enough folks off the couch and working. If you've bought into the idea that Conservatisms means, broadly the opposite of the things you listed then you don't understand the concept and have just bought into spin.
I could agree with you that there are some fringe elements, just like in the liberal platform, who are extreme but they don't represent the heart of Conservatism. Acting like Star Trek is devoid of basic humanity to anyone not Liberal/Progressive/Socialist is a weird idea to hold frankly. Speaks more to that persons own biases.

I think the problem I have with this statement is that you're talking about the Democratic Party when you're talking about the left and you're talking about the "Heart of Conservatism" when talking about conservatism. The issue with that is that you are creating a false equivalency. As a Progressive/Socialist, I do not like Biden and do not support Biden's moderate policies. So claiming that Biden is not a successful President is not the gotcha you think it is.

For example, do Conservatives think we should move to a society free of money where all of your needs are provided to by some nebulous state and where all lifestyles are giving tacit acceptance. Either the Heart of Conservatism has greatly changed or I guess I'm a Conservative.

And like others have pointed out, the GOP is not pro-LGBT as much as they realize it's a losing battle. That is not an endorsement and should not be treated as such.

[thwhtGuardian]

Even for all the spin Democrat Liberals are as Capitalistic as the next politician. Not even Bernie Sanders. During the 2020 run it was reported his Net Worth was nearly $2million!! Granted he wants to give it all away for free but come on. This isn't a Liberal/Conservative thing so much as it is a platform thing. Nancy Pelosi...look her up "Nancy Pelosi Net Worth" punch it into ole Google search. spoilers:

$196 million

end of spoilers


How about this article from August 2021? It is a 3min read, get past the Tony Perkins(non politician paragraph) and you will see MORE than ONE. Hint, end of story. Now why don't you know this?? Simple, Rachel Maddow, Norah O'Donnell and Wolf Blitzer don't want you to know. It doesn't fit the narrative they push "GOP hate gays!"


See the above politicians for starters.

GOP is very likely not what you think it is or is becoming.

They haven't moved on from gay bashing, come on, a single "happy pride" tweet doesn't change a thing about the platform.

And yeah, politicians across the board are wealthy...but only one side seems to think the wealthy shouldn't pay their fair share and that income equality is un-american. Hint...it's the conservatives.

And the GOP is actively against diversity and minorities, again that's not even up for debate. Why else do you think they're for redistricting efforts that make it harder for minorities to vote and are against social tools to help people from different nationalities better themselves?

If you think Republicans are for any of these ideas above you're simply deluding yourself. Why you'd want to do that to yourself I don't know.

[The Gold Stream]

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[Anthony W]

...it's not metaphorical...it's right out in the open.

Uhura kissing Kirk: Progressive. Uhura being a bridge officer on the flag ship of the Federation: Progressive. Heck, just the fact of a black actress being included in the cast of a prime time network show: Progressive.
Sulu? Same thing, an asian man on prime time was progressive.
Chekov? Yup, a Russian not being a villain was progressive.

Uhura: Hot chick in a mini skirt. Human. Federation
Sulu: Federation.
Chekov: Russian, but human and a part of The Federation a military organization that is a meritocracy that spends its time preaching to other races. Oh and the captain was an American white guy. Gee...I wonder why people of the time would respond to that.....Hmmmmmm.

It's mentioned several times in Voyage Home that they live in a post scarcity society and money is a relic of the barbaric past...progressive. This theme would be carried on in the Next Generation with the conflicts with Ferengi boiling down to Capitalism is bad. I could go on more but it's very evident that the shows themes and values were clearly progressive...and if any conservatives can't see that then well, I've got a bridge to sell them in New York, and if that won't do then I also have some beautiful mountain top property in Kansas or a beach front bungalow in Illinois that might interest them.

The barbaric past...that America obviously won. Starfleet Academy is in San Francisco LOL. Yeah, no capitalism but there is more important things to do, like SPACE COLONIALISM.

[80sbaby]

When did the Federation colonize a planet?

[thwhtGuardian]

When did the Federation colonize a planet?

Never?

And seriously downplaying the casting of Uhura, Sulu and Chekov Anthony W, those were groundbreaking roles. But hey, I get it, acknowledging that would get in the way of your shtick.

[ChrisIII]

There's several space colonies from the Federation.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki...ation_colonies

Kirk and Yar, for example, spent part of their lives on colonies that had major problems.

[80sbaby]

There's several space colonies from the Federation.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki...ation_colonies

Kirk and Yar, for example, spent part of their lives on colonies that had major problems.

Having colonies isn't the same as "colonization," particularly in the context it's being used.

col·o·ni·za·tion
/kälənəˈzāSH(ə)n/
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noun
noun: colonisation
the action or process of settling among and establishing control over the indigenous people of an area.
"Africa boasts a tradition of higher education institutions that predate Western colonization"
the action of appropriating a place or domain for one's own use.
"the complete colonization of television entertainment by reality shows"

[babyblob]

The Federation colonized planets yes. But they were empty M class worlds or they Terraformed an uninhabited world to suit them. They never conquered another planet and then shippined humans there to displace the aliens that were native. Even when they admit a planet to The Federation like Vulcan, Trill, Betazed, and even Bajor the human presence on those worlds was not large at all.

Other then Sisko and his wife and kid did any other human even try and move to Bajor? How many humans just up and moved to Vulcan and tried to force the Vulcans out and steal their land?

So it is a way different thing here.

[Username taken]

Never?

And seriously downplaying the casting of Uhura, Sulu and Chekov Anthony W, those were groundbreaking roles. But hey, I get it, acknowledging that would get in the way of your shtick.

Yeah, casting minorities in Star Trek back in the day was pretty HUGE.

Heck, the interracial kiss between Uhura and Kirk was so controversial that even the studios wanted them to shoot another scene without the kiss....just in case.

Depicting a black woman performing anything other than menial labor at the time was groundbreaking. Suggesting otherwise is grade A level revisionism.

[Anthony W]

Never?

And seriously downplaying the casting of Uhura, Sulu and Chekov Anthony W, those were groundbreaking roles. But hey, I get it, acknowledging that would get in the way of your shtick.

This was you right?

I'm continually amazed how one can enjoy star trek in any form...and think President Trump was a good call.

I just told you how a Trump supporter could enjoy Star Trek. But hey, I get it, acknowledging that would get in the way of your shtick. As for colonization? Why do you think The Federation keeps such a close eye on worlds that are close to achieving warp? Then once you achieve warp the Federation is more than happy to step in and say hello. Then you can apply to join The Federation, but only if you meet their standards.

[Anthony W]

Yeah, casting minorities in Star Trek back in the day was pretty HUGE.

Heck, the interracial kiss between Uhura and Kirk was so controversial that even the studios wanted them to shoot another scene without the kiss....just in case.

Depicting a black woman performing anything other than menial labor at the time was groundbreaking. Suggesting otherwise is grade A level revisionism.

Revisionism is a trait twwhtGuardian would associate with a Trump supporter. So I did a bang up job explaining to him how a Trump supporter could watch Trek. Too bad it flew right over their heads

[thwhtGuardian]

This was you right?



I just told you how a Trump supporter could enjoy Star Trek. But hey, I get it, acknowledging that would get in the way of your shtick. As for colonization? Why do you think The Federation keeps such a close eye on worlds that are close to achieving warp? Then once you achieve warp the Federation is more than happy to step in and say hello. Then you can apply to join The Federation, but only if you meet their standards.

Nothing you said disputes a thing I said...as I said the only way someone could think President Trump and Conservatism in general are great and enjoy Star Trek is just being willfully blind. It's a progressive show and was designed to be so from the start.

[thwhtGuardian]

Revisionism is a trait twwhtGuardian would associate with a Trump supporter. So I did a bang up job explaining to him how a Trump supporter could watch Trek. Too bad it flew right over their heads

...it's pretty hard to send something over someone's head when you didn't make a point at all. But hey, if it makes you feel good that you made a cognizant point I'll pretend you did to make your day.

[ChrisIII]

Sorry if I derailed the thread by bringing up Reagan.