Star Trek: All of Em

[WebLurker]

I really hate the STD abbreviation because it just gives the Discovery haters even more reason to hate. Seen more than one comment how Discovery is about as enjoyable as an actual STD.

I assumed the "STD" acronym was invented by the haters in the first place. Course, DSC's acronym seems to be a point of contention; a few fan sites use "DIS" and insist that that is what it has to be in order to fit the pattern of the previous ones, despite there being no such pattern in the first place (with subtitles of different word counts, there has been no consistency beyond it being three characters). While these things can take root ("VOY" was a fan creation, the actual acronym was "VGR" until the Powers That Be changed it to "VOY"), I don't really get why this is a hill to die on.

For all the flack Voyager gets, I will give it one thing. At least it's not Enterprise.

Didn't think ENT was that bad.

[marshal88]

st voyager did improved from season 4 onward with the introduction of the borg and seven of nine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygFwczFY9aQ

[H-E-D]

I wasn't talking about an "official" abbreviation – it's just commonplace for a show's title to be abbreviated to an acronym or initialism by those discussing it. GoT, CoD, WoW, HL2, CS:GO, JLA, JSA, etc etc. "The Powers that Be" have nothing to do with that.

[nx01a]

Didn't think ENT was that bad.

ENT was really good in seasons 3 and 4. Season 1 was meh. Season 2 was mostly crap.

[marshal88]

really good would be a bit of a hyperbole , it is just improved from the crapspectular season 1 and 2 but the series as a whole put way too much reliance on time travel sheningans especially for a early trek era.

[Exciter]

ENT was really good in seasons 3 and 4. Season 1 was meh. Season 2 was mostly crap.

I didn’t even watch ENT when it aired. I just had no interest in a prequel. On my aforementioned recent rewatch of all things Trek, however, I finally checked it out. I thought it got progressively better and really peaked in season 4 (series finale aside). In season 4 they basically explained away the problems I had with earlier seasons in a very satisfying manner (e.g., why are Vulcans such dicks? Ohh the Romulans were sabotaging their relations with humanity) and really took a deep-dive into trek lore. Shame there was no season 5.

[ChrisIII]

I think at first a lot of fans had issues with the ship and other tech looking somewhat too advanced at first and basically it largely being based on a "First Contact" design, and an attempt to make the characters a bit too much like Kirk, Spock and McCoy although with some things switched around (Female spock, McCoy being the engineer etc).

I think apart from the Romulan thing the Vulcans had also strayed too far from Surak's original philosophies as well.

[TriggerWarning]

ENT was really good in seasons 3 and 4. Season 1 was meh. Season 2 was mostly crap.

I actually tried binging this a few years ago. Thought the first episode was great and then the next few were pretty bad. Stopped at that point.

Doesn't it end on a cliffhanger or something? I have no idea how it ends other than I thought I remembered people being mad about a cliffhanger ending. Or am I mixing it up with something?

[WebLurker]

I actually tried binging this a few years ago. Thought the first episode was great and then the next few were pretty bad. Stopped at that point.

Doesn't it end on a cliffhanger or something? I have no idea how it ends other than I thought I remembered people being mad about a cliffhanger ending. Or am I mixing it up with something?

No, there wasn't a cliffhanger. The show had been teasing the Romulan War but never got there (although we already knew the broad facts of that event already), but the show did have a definitive end and as much closure as could be hoped for a cancelation.

The finale wasn't very popular, though; it was set in TNG during the "Pegasus" episode, with Riker and Troi using the holodeck to relive the ENT crew's last mission. It wasn't great, but I guess I didn't think it was worth the rancor and did have some decent moments. Probably the best way to look at it is having the penultimate episode be the true finale, and the actual finale as a little coda providing a little perspective on how ENT fits into the larger franchise.

[Zero Hunter]

Since Netflix has season 1 and 2 of Discovery up to rent on disc I guess I will give a try and see how I feel about it.

[Ntnon]

[With 7of9] ..the show just started revolving around her and the entire male cast had to take turns falling in love with her..

With attractive and smart and acconplished people, tgis often happens. When you're stuck in a bottle with a very limited number of people to interact with, Stockholm Syndrome et al. just make the plausible realities that much more acute..

[Xalfrea]

Enterprise's actual finale was so god-awful it really would've been better if it ended on a cliffhanger. Likewise I do agree that Season 3 and 4 of Enterprise were good. That quality varied but overall they're good and deserve to stand alongside the stuff of the show.

I'd say the overall worst, downright loathsome, low point of the entire franchise is Season 1 TNG.

[Malvolio]

Season 1 of TNG and season 1 of Voyager had similar problems. They both tried too hard to do variations on episodes from TOS. TNG even had episode titles that were callbacks to original series episodes, like The Naked Now as a callback to The Naked Time. But both shows found their own identities about halfway through the second season.

[nx01a]

VOY s1 has nothing as horrid as the universally panned and blatantly racist 'Code of Honor' or the painfully sexist 'Angel One' from TNG s1. The worst thing in VOY s1 is what? The tone deaf medicine wheel shenanigans of 'Cathexis'?

[Jokerz79]

TNG Season 1 had some of the series lows but it also had The Battle, Datalore, 11001001, Too Short a Season, Heart of Glory, and Conspiracy.