I like the idea that Discovery's appearance plus solving the Burn leads to a renewed hope in Starfleet, and everyone gets bright and shiny and colourful costumes, not just the 1031 crew.
I like the idea that Discovery's appearance plus solving the Burn leads to a renewed hope in Starfleet, and everyone gets bright and shiny and colourful costumes, not just the 1031 crew.
Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
Despite the initial concept of a severely weakened Starfleet/Federation I felt that season 3 seemed to have more optimism/fun than the first two. Also helped that Michael/Sonequa kind of dropped the whole "human vulcan" persona.
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Just finished the first season of "Picard" and still on the first season of "Discovery".
Generally, I break down the shows into two "realities".
Star Trek Prime: TOS, the Next Generation, DS9, Voyager, the TOS and NG movies and Picard.
These all take place in the original reality and, more or less, the same continuity.
Star Trek Reboot: Enterprise, the new movies and Discovery.
I love most of the new stuff though I realize they were thinly disguised reboots. Enterprise was not just a reboot because of time travel interference from the future. It was a setting where the transporters work about ten million times better than they worked in "The Cage" or TOS, 150 years later. "Running Transport" as opposed to "Stand absolutely still for 30 seconds if you want to keep all your parts' It was a setting where the equality of women and men was magnitudes better than in TOS 150 years later. Discovery does the same thing.
I realize this stuff was inevitable because the new shows are being made for a current audience, not a 1960s audience.
I particularly like "Discovery" because it has that TOS quality of making social statements. We had an openly gay male relationship. We had the exploration of what people are willing to do to survive (The Mirror Universe episodes which I've just started to watch).
I saw the first two Abrams movies but still haven't seen the third. Not that big of a fan of using time travel to sidestep the exploration of society that was TOS and replace those adventures with action movies.
Loved the first season of "Picard" (yes back to the prime reality of ST). I felt at first that it was getting too pessimistic but it just showed how easy it is to make decisions based on fear, sometimes fear not grounded in reality, which is a message for our times or any time without getting heavy-handed or specific.
Power with Girl is better.
From what I've heard, Roddenberry's original intent was to have a Spock/ Uhura relationship but the network vetoed it. He wanted to sneak it through on the grounds that Spock is an alien, not a human white male. But they wouldn't go for it.
As for Chapel in TOS, she said it herself in "The Naked Time". "I see things. How compassionate you are, how you can't stand to see anyone or anything suffer". But she deluded herself that she could break through that facade and get to what he really was, that she could change him.
Power with Girl is better.
Star Trek: TOS characters ranked and graded by me:
1. Spock A
2. Kirk A
3. Scotty B
4. McCoy B
5. Sulu C
6. Checkov C
7. Urhura C
8. Chapel D
9. Rand F
Discovery kind of addresses this a bit by the ship being more or less a one-of-a-kind prototype, with the season 2 finale and season 3 also explaining why nobody's heard of the ship and it's unique secondary warp drive later on.
TOS Enterprise not having some of the bells and whistles is also explained fairly early in season 2, as well as why the Klingons and their ships are so different in season one.
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Not a surprise, the bottom half of your ranking has all the women and Sulu is not even a top 3 .Yep, what this ranking does is shows just how bad the racism and sexism was in the 60s even if Star Trek does get praise for been a very progressive show.
It is a good statistics ranking because it exposes how crappy the 60s was with females and minorities.
Here I grade and rank Enterprise characters:
1. Phlox B
2. Trip B
3. Archer B
4. T'Pol C
5. Malcom C
6. Hoshi C
7. Mayweather D
Now I will combine the characters from the two shows:
1. Spock A
2. Kirk A
3. Scotty B
4. Phlox B
5. McCoy B
6. Trip B
7. Archer B
8. Sulu C
9. T'Pol C
10. Checkov C
11. Urhura C
12. Malcom C
13. Hoshi C
14. Chapel D
15. Mayweather D
16. Rand F
Dr. Phlox was better than Dr. McCoy, in my opinion.
T'Pol was disappointing, but was the best female character between the two shows.
Like TOS, Enterprise wrote the characters played by white guys better than the others.
I won't include Discovery characters, because that show in ongoing.
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I hear ya. DeForest Kelley man, in TOS he's fantastic.
But in TOS the 3 main characters work well mostly cause they are so nicely complemented by the other two. Taken separately they do are still interesting characters but the trio, as a whole, that's where the magic is.
Yeah, Kirk, McCoy and Spock served as a neat id, superego, ego trio, balancing out the impulsive Kirk with the moral McCoy and the rational Spock.
I suspect they are going for a subtler version of that with Strange New Worlds, with a 'trio' of Pike, Spock and Number One.