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    Quote Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian View Post
    That's just an over wrought rationalization, why even come up with it when the real reason(that it's simply a product of its time) is far easier to understand?

    And they never updated the Tardis? That's patently false. The technology of the Tardis has changed dramatically over the years to fit not only the changing tones of the show but also the expectations of the audience.

    As for Star Wars its technology was never the focus, the lived in look was but that isn't the case with Trek. Trek was supposed to be a look into our future and as a TV show it needs to adapt to changes in reality. As I said earlier, fans of the past accepted this as no one batted an eye when the Klingons dramatically changed their look, or the way costumes, weapons and bridge all looked different when Trek made the leap from canceled tv show to successful film franchise.

    But hey, if at the end of the day creating convoluted explanations for an antiquated look enhances your personal enjoyment of Star Trek, be my guest...just don't try and pretend it's an objective criticism of the way new shows look.
    I didn't say Tardis I said Hartnell's Tardis which was in Twice Upon a Doctor.

    And the TOS Enterprise/Constitution Class was a product of its time which can be rationalized and was respected by TNG (Relics), DS9 (Tribbles and Tribulations), and ENT ( Into the Mirror Darkly Parts I & II).

    So I give Discovery no leniency Discovery said we want to use that era of Trek but change it because it's not cool enough for us which I find insulting.

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    Enterprise also seemed to have some problems with the technology advances. Sure, phasers and transporters weren't refined yet but didn't one of the earliest episodes introduce a non-starfleet holodeck of sorts? (Even enough for a Klingon to say "I can see my house from here!")
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    Enterprise also seemed to have some problems with the technology advances. Sure, phasers and transporters weren't refined yet but didn't one of the earliest episodes introduce a non-starfleet holodeck of sorts? (Even enough for a Klingon to say "I can see my house from here!")
    That's the problem with prequels. How do you have communicators that are less sophisticated than TOS, but still at least as sophisticated as a 21st century smart phone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    Enterprise also seemed to have some problems with the technology advances. Sure, phasers and transporters weren't refined yet but didn't one of the earliest episodes introduce a non-starfleet holodeck of sorts? (Even enough for a Klingon to say "I can see my house from here!")
    While I liked ENT my biggest issue with it was naming the ship Enterprise given its visible absence from the Enterprise lineage. They should had named it Excelsior IMO.

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    This is pretty cool

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    I just watched DS9: What We Left Behind

    The writers outlined a story for a sequel 20 years later.. it sounds phenomenal. What I wouldn't give to see that made into a reality. This sounds better than anything currently released (If you love the current Star Trek, great, but its not doing it for me)

    If you haven't seen it, Shout TV has it for free.

    Highly Recommended.

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    Patrick Stewert just tweeted out a gift code for a free month of All Access, but I don't know how to activate it. Does anyone here know?

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    Sounds like Discovery might get delayed due to Corona. They are finished filming but some of the special effects aren't done.

    Like I asked in a different thread with Walking Dead Beyond World, is special effect editing something that require people to be up close and personal or can most of it be done by people working apart at computer screens? I assume the latter.

    Now is the best time ever to release new shows to streaming with so many people stuck at home desperate for entertainment and if the editing / effects can be done remotely your keeping your people employed as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriggerWarning View Post
    Like I asked in a different thread with Walking Dead Beyond World, is special effect editing something that require people to be up close and personal or can most of it be done by people working apart at computer screens? I assume the latter.
    I wonder if the delay has as much to do with more admin slowdown than the actual SFX work itself. When something like this hits, it really fleshes out how interconnected all the work within a business can be (and its operational shortcomings).

    I'm reminded of how one animator accidentally deleted virtually all of Toy Story 2 from the root folder (roughly 90% of the movie by that point), and the back-up had failed. Luckily one animator, who was working from home due to maternity leave, had a back up on her home PC that was only missing the last couple days' of everyone's work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyke View Post
    I'm reminded of how one animator accidentally deleted virtually all of Toy Story 2 from the root folder (roughly 90% of the movie by that point), and the back-up had failed. Luckily one animator, who was working from home due to maternity leave, had a back up on her home PC that was only missing the last couple days' of everyone's work.
    And then that entire story was scrapped upon viewing that version and they had to effectively start from scratch anyhow. The irony.
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    Wellp, them's the breaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    Enterprise also seemed to have some problems with the technology advances. Sure, phasers and transporters weren't refined yet but didn't one of the earliest episodes introduce a non-starfleet holodeck of sorts? (Even enough for a Klingon to say "I can see my house from here!")
    It wasnt a holodeck as we know it, it was just a large photo effectively that they could stand in.

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    Ds9 > tng > ent > tos > voy > dis > tas > stp
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetengine View Post
    It wasnt a holodeck as we know it, it was just a large photo effectively that they could stand in.
    One of my biggest gripes with Enterprise was just how quickly it was adopting the look of the 24th century shows, rather than the slower progression and build up that a prequel should have. Having a predecessor to the phaser is fine, but if your phase cannon looks like a phaser, sounds like a phaser, and shoots like a phaser, it's a goddamn phaser.

    And don't get me started on photon"ic" torpedoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla2099 View Post
    I just watched DS9: What We Left Behind

    The writers outlined a story for a sequel 20 years later.. it sounds phenomenal. What I wouldn't give to see that made into a reality. This sounds better than anything currently released (If you love the current Star Trek, great, but its not doing it for me)

    If you haven't seen it, Shout TV has it for free.

    Highly Recommended.

    I also just watched the new DS9 docu, it's free on Tubi.

    Very interesting. Especially learning how back then many Trek fans hated or complained about elements of DS9 like the darker tone, and more.. really reminds me of Trek fans now with Discovery and Picard shows. I still haven't seen the new shows, but yeah, not much has changed.

    I watched DS9 when it originally aired and loved it. I also loved TNG, TOS and enjoyed Voyager. I guess I wasn't that picky then. I think I'm more picky now. I found the JJ movies alright. Like 1 and 3 fine. I still consider the TOS movies the best.

    The Terry Farrel Dax story about leaving DS9 (or been let go) was very murky.. I wonder what the truth really is. I heard she wanted more $$. I really loved her character and her relationship with Sisko and Worf. sigh.

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