Star Trek: All of Em

[sunofdarkchild]

Most of the time, anything from the "that guy with the glasses" site is wrong.
It has a stellar track record of being unfunny and wrong.

Linkara at least got the 'Kirk vs Picard' debate right.

[Darrell D.]

Linkara at least got the 'Kirk vs Picard' debate right.

The only answer to that debate is 'Who cares? Stop obsessing. Watch the show and enjoy it for what it is.'

[sunofdarkchild]

Watchmojo did a 'top 10' Star Trek movies.



My order is

1. Khan
2. Undiscovered Country
3. First Contact
4. 2009 reboot
5. Voyage Home
6. Into Darkness
7. Search for Spock
8. Nemesis
9. Insurrection
10. TMP
11. Final Frontier







12. Generations-not just a terrible movie, but goes out of its way to say 'f-you!' to the fans at every turn in a way no other Star Trek movie or episode ever did.

[Cyke]

IMO DS9 overall is my least favorite , its good concept, but the problem of the show that Star Trek is suppose to center on Humans and their intake of Alien Culture but in DS9 it centers on Bajorons, Dont get me wrong, there are some episode I really like and could compete with the best of other ST series such as First Battle of DS9 was definitely epic but overall I didn't care much for it.

I feel like the show lost focus on the Bajorans for about two or three seasons (a couple episodes a season does not focus a show), and only really started getting back into it towards the middle of season 7 -- otherwise, they were treated as players in the game like the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Dominion, etc.

One thing I appreciate about DS9 though is how it tried to mimic colonial history to critique it. If Star Trek was the "Wagon Train to the Stars" as Roddenberry put it, then DS9 was the outpost in the frontier of the Old West. But modern American colonial history books in grade and high school tend to forget, whitewash, or pay little attention to the variety of folks who would go to those outposts, like Chinese railroad workers, Irish farmers, and the indigenous Native Americans. I like that DS9 expanded its story beyond humanity and had secondary characters from a variety of races and cultures, because that's what life was like in those outposts. In that sense, the Bajorans would be comparable to Natives, since it was their land. Besides, we have 4 (5 if you count the cartoon) shows plus 12 movies that focus on humans, so one show that has a Ferengi subplot, a Cardassian tailor, and Morn isn't too much to ask, imo.

[md62]

McCoy - he seemed the most "normal" to me. He could be moody & he also had some of my favorite lines on TV & the movies.

[Arvandor]

Seven of Nine.

And not just for her looks. Her badass attitude and her visible contempt for Janeway was awesome.

[lancerman]

Kirk specifically on the TOS I didn't like him as much in the movies. Except for wrath of Kahn

[The Celtic Batman]

Worf

DoS yIbuS!

[The Lonely Man]

Worf for me, just ahead of Picard.

I'll qualify that by saying Worf after the first episode featuring K'Ehleyr, he took off after that episode and some of the latter episodes with Worf and Picard knee deep in Klingon politics were the very best of Star Trek.

[byc]

Sisko. He possesses possibly the best captain traits in Trek, but I still like him.

He's a great diplomat.
He's good at inspiring his crew and followers.
He's good at hand-to-hand combat.
He's good at space combat.
He's good tactician and strategist.
He's good at understanding the concerns of others.
He's flexible, both of politics and culture.

He's a bit of a Gary Stu, but I still like him best.

[Enigmatic Undead]

Spock, Worf, Data and Bones

[Vidocq]

The trio of Kirk, Spock and Bones for me. But they as a combo, they wouldn't work as well as a duo or as a solo act.

[shades of eternity]

I posted this a while back, but with a new forum, I guess I can repost.

for me, it comes down to one simple thing...do you like these characters?

For DS9, I would have to say yes.

Other shows have awesome plots, well choreographed fights,...but even the best script won't survive if people don't love the characters involved. It doesn't matter whether they love them or love to hate them.

DS9 felt like a community, which is more then the enterprises and voyager ever did. Both the good and the bad things associated with it.

It wasn't just a stellar main cast...which they had. It was the many other characters that they just kept building on.

Sisko is my default star fleet captain for both character development and sheer awesomeness. He was tough as nails, but also funny, had a strong family and always sincere. He wasn't the first regular black starfleet captain to me...he was the starfleet captain that all others would be measured.

Kira I loved as 2nd in command and while she calmed down over the years, she was a tough old gal who was essentially rediscovering her humanity (or the bajority) in the process. The love story was just icing on the cake.

Odo would have been a one maybe two parter at most. Instead we got to see him develop over a 7 year period and found out stuff that both blessed and damned him.

Worf is probably the best character to compare the differences between tng and ds9. On tng he was the guy they beat up to show how tough he is. Near the end of the series they were trying to show off his kung fu action but it was almost a sideline. Hell the most memorable scene of showing off his awesome skills wasn't the series, but first contact, when he pulls out a blade and shows off his stuff against the borg drone. and even then he wasn't the savior, merely the tough guy. The savior role was reserved for picard, riker and data more or less only.

In DS9 Worf had to abandon the culture he dedicated his values to in the very first episode. He was put through the ringer at a deeper and more scathin level then anything that happened in tng...and that was just in the first episode. Worf was shown to be extremely skilled, tough resourceful and often had the answer when nobody else did (his use of tractor beams showed he wasn't just physically tough, he was canny as well). He had to say goodbuy to his brother to keep him alive, made amends with his son who was, let's be honest a joke character that actually got better when he become an adult, got married and lost her, and above all else, was considered the warrior of the group. He butted heads with odo with secuirity and was often right. Finally he regained his honor and his house and made friends with a man who you thought was the enemy of everything Worf stood for.

He was a truely 3 dimensional character that was allowed to shine.

Miles O' Brien has a similar story. In TNG he was a one note character and didn't even have Worf's regular billing. While he kinda got an episode or two, most of the time he was a "recyclable red shirt". Once he got on ds9, he was a family man, a darn good tech, a bit of a bigot that learned from it, a great holodeck buddy, a pub man, and an ex soldier. He might not have the miracle worker status of scotty, or the interesting skill set of georgi la forge, but you knew when he set stuff up, it ment business. Plus his humor reallyadded to any scene he was in.

The Dax entity's and their hosts was a great idea that added to the environment to remind people, this just wasn't the yanks in space. In many ways I'm glad their was a transition, but it should have happened half way through the series. both hosts were different . Jadzia was a warrior woman at heart with a lot of science under her belt. Ezeri reminded me of you pet puppy in manner and disposition.

If I had to say the most improved character in the series, it was Doctor Jullian bashir. He starts as a brilliant newb who is pretty much the most hated member of the main cast. But through character development and interaction with many awesome characters, he begins to grow up and becomes a really amazing character. His genetic engineered nature only added a new facet to explore stories.

Quark was what happens when you subvert the concept of guinen and play it in a more realistic manner. Unlike the majority of the characters above, Quark didn't go through much character development, but as a plot device and a character, he was brilliant, especially in showing ferengi's culture and physiology. He was lovable, in spite of his nature.

If their is one place that DS9 shined when it came to character development, it was it's use of children. Jake and Nog started off as relatively realistic kids and we got to watch them grow up. While Jake suffered from "wonderboy" syndrome to begin with, as he got older, he broke many of the common conventions that make star trek kids bloody annoying. While they kinda wrote him into a corner, he did well. Nog on the other hand went from whiny brat to one of the best junior officers in the fleet. He was a neat blend of both his cultural values and star fleets military tradition.

Hell the best episode involving those two is when they shared an appartment and they effectly switched roles

Villians were solid in this series. The cardassians were a brilliantly talkative people that had just raped a planet. They had one of the best spy agencies in the entire alpha quadrant and were alien in both feel and design, while still feeling sympathetic in some ways.

Gul Dukat was an amazing character ride that truely earned a place in the top 3 trek villians. While I didn't like the last couple of year turn, it kinda made sense and really should have been the base for the ds9 movie. Damar went from flunky, to great leader to martyr all while showing his qualities of whom he is. His last season development should be a case study on how to build a character quickly, while not taking time away from the rest of the main cast.

The Dominion is an amazing villian that is uniquely suited to the ds9 environment. On a spaceship, a shapeshifter is comparatively easy to track down. On a station with people coming and going, it can be a needle in a haystack.
Then you mix in their servator races: the jemhidar and the vorta and you feel like that when they looked through the wormhole, the wormhole starred back. Hell Weyoun you got the feeling that if he weren't a middle management slave he'd be almost likeable.


The Klingon empire roared during ds9 and it added both worthy adversaries and loyal allies. Martok is an amazing character in his own right and if they would have done a star trek: birds of prey he should have been a reoccuring character.

However, the most hated villian , isn't Dukat and the cardassians, or the dominion or the klingons...it was a single elderly bajoran trying to gain ultimate power. Wynn was the character you absolutely loved to hate, especially when she was right. She pushed her beliefs and her needs to the point where you really wanted to see her fall.

But it wasn't the heroes and villians that made this show something special. It was the many different characters that would have been redshirts on any other shot. From Morn...who didn't even need to talk, to rhom...an excellent example of what happens to ferengi who don't have business savvy, to his wife, a bajorian bimbo who, when coupled with rhom added a whole new dimension to both.

and above all else, I learned what a simple tailor can do

[Cometman]

Kirk-My hero. Like it or not Star Trek would not be what it is today without Kirk and the great William Shatner.

Followed by,

Spock-Love that logic and intelligence.
Bones-Brought true humanity to a world of aliens and foreign worlds.
Data-The "superhero" of Star Trek.
Worf-My favorite Star Trek tough guy.

[Cometman]

Watchmojo did a 'top 10' Star Trek movies.



My order is

1. Khan
2. Undiscovered Country
3. First Contact
4. 2009 reboot
5. Voyage Home
6. Into Darkness
7. Search for Spock
8. Nemesis
9. Insurrection
10. TMP
11. Final Frontier







12. Generations-not just a terrible movie, but goes out of its way to say 'f-you!' to the fans at every turn in a way no other Star Trek movie or episode ever did.

1. The Wrath of Khan
2. Undiscovered Country
3. Nemesis-I will never understand why this movie is criticized. This is TNG's Wrath of Khan.
4. Search for Spock
5. First Contact
6. Final Frontier
7. The Voyage Home
8. Generations
9. Insurrection
10. The Motion Picture
11. 09 Reboot-This is the one I feel says F U to the fans.
12. Into Darkness-This one was so bad its beyond words.