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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyke View Post
    I wonder if the delay has as much to do with more admin slowdown than the actual SFX work itself. When something like this hits, it really fleshes out how interconnected all the work within a business can be (and its operational shortcomings).

    I'm reminded of how one animator accidentally deleted virtually all of Toy Story 2 from the root folder (roughly 90% of the movie by that point), and the back-up had failed. Luckily one animator, who was working from home due to maternity leave, had a back up on her home PC that was only missing the last couple days' of everyone's work.
    I think that's basically the origin story of the bizzare but expensively cast CG movie "Food Fight", except for the last bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyke View Post
    One of my biggest gripes with Enterprise was just how quickly it was adopting the look of the 24th century shows, rather than the slower progression and build up that a prequel should have. Having a predecessor to the phaser is fine, but if your phase cannon looks like a phaser, sounds like a phaser, and shoots like a phaser, it's a goddamn phaser.

    And don't get me started on photon"ic" torpedoes.
    There's some stuff that they kind of tried to make TOS style, like having the engine room not have the traditional TMP-forward cylinder but somewhat closer to the TOS one, and of course T'pol's Scope.
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    I rewatched Star Trek 09 and Beyond last night and these really are both good films (Well, I always though Beyond was good, but 09 surprised me). 09 is a dumb film, but the dialogue, actions scenes and cinematography are all generally fantastic.
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    Lots of Star Trek goodness... and badness... here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla2099 View Post
    I just watched DS9: What We Left Behind

    The writers outlined a story for a sequel 20 years later.. it sounds phenomenal. What I wouldn't give to see that made into a reality. This sounds better than anything currently released (If you love the current Star Trek, great, but its not doing it for me)

    If you haven't seen it, Shout TV has it for free.

    Highly Recommended.
    Watched it a day or two ago.

    The premise of the new story is sadly ironic given they killed off Nog at the beginning and Aron Eisengerg who played Nog has died since the the documentary was made.

    Most amusing part to me was that I've ridiculed Avery Brooks acting in DS9 saying he went "full Shatner" in how he overacts each word in short stacatto exclamations. Then I watch the documentary and realize that is how he talks all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinsir View Post
    I rewatched Star Trek 09 and Beyond last night and these really are both good films (Well, I always though Beyond was good, but 09 surprised me). 09 is a dumb film, but the dialogue, actions scenes and cinematography are all generally fantastic.
    Beyond is one of my favorite Trek films, definitely Top 5 at least when compared to the other Trek films.

    09 is maybe my favorite "messy" space movie. It's not perfect by any means, but it scratched an itch good.

    Quote Originally Posted by TriggerWarning View Post
    Watched it a day or two ago.

    The premise of the new story is sadly ironic given they killed off Nog at the beginning and Aron Eisengerg who played Nog has died since the the documentary was made.

    Most amusing part to me was that I've ridiculed Avery Brooks acting in DS9 saying he went "full Shatner" in how he overacts each word in short stacatto exclamations. Then I watch the documentary and realize that is how he talks all the time.
    Yep. It makes sense considering Brooks has always been a scholar and an academic at Rutgers. I've had professors that talk just like him (especially when it comes to answering a question with a question), and they're as far and unknowledgable about Trek as they come. Shatner's interview of Brooks brought back many flashbacks for me, *especially* the professors who played jazz piano!

    I do love those tales about whenever he'd have to teach remotely (via videotape back then) because of filming, and he'd conduct the class in his DS9 uniform.
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    I'd expand on his point say it was the same for Deep Space Nine as well.

    Fact of the matter is, no matter how good or bad Picard is or how we think the show is, it's never going to be TNG, the same way DS9 was never going to be TNG and TNG was never going to be TOS. Picard has to stand or fall on its own. I'm convinced Enterprise failed because it tried too hard to be like its predecessors TNG and Voyager from the start, and by the time it realized it needed to be its own thing, it was too late.

    Of course, that doesn't mean that for Picard to improve, it must be closer to TNG. Being better and being made differently than TNG are not just two separate ideas, it's also part of the inherent appeal of the plot -- seeing a TNG hero in very un-TNG like situations.

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    It's first season star trek. It had a few fantastic scenes on par with the best of trek, but the overall arc has some serious arrowverse like plot problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla2099 View Post
    I just watched DS9: What We Left Behind

    The writers outlined a story for a sequel 20 years later.. it sounds phenomenal. What I wouldn't give to see that made into a reality. This sounds better than anything currently released (If you love the current Star Trek, great, but its not doing it for me)

    If you haven't seen it, Shout TV has it for free.

    Highly Recommended.
    I watched it a week or so ago and thought it was great. Just the simple outline they came up sitting around for just one day in a writers room sounded so good. Amazon Prime has it free to watch with commercials

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    Recently been watching ST: Deep Space Nine or DS9. Didn't watch it all the way through when it originally aired. By season 4,the writing gets really good. Although it's debatable for some as it starts to becomes more serialized. The problem with that is if you miss an episode you might be confused by certain things-sometimes even minor ones. Credit to them for making some who at first seemed like they wouldn't be important and making them matter in the grand scheme of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Adkins View Post
    Recently been watching ST: Deep Space Nine or DS9. Didn't watch it all the way through when it originally aired. By season 4,the writing gets really good. Although it's debatable for some as it starts to becomes more serialized. The problem with that is if you miss an episode you might be confused by certain things-sometimes even minor ones. Credit to them for making some who at first seemed like they wouldn't be important and making them matter in the grand scheme of things.
    I think the serialization is why most think it got good.

    It along with The X-Files, Wiseguy, and probably a few shows I'm forgetting were the first to flirt with serialization and helped bring about the golden age of television where we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinsir View Post
    Ds9 > tng > ent > tos > voy > dis > tas > stp
    Sorry. I love DS9, and I would even accept the argument that from a technical standpoint (writing, effects) it was better than all other Trek. But I can't call it the best Star Trek show. While I don't adhere to the notion that Roddenberry's vision of a utopian is absolute, I do think there are certain principles and ideologies must transfer from one show to the next. It's clear in watching interviews with those behind the scenes that there was definitely an anti-Trek or anti-Federation mindset in the development of DS9, especially as the series progressed.

    For me, TNG still stands as the best STAR TREK show. The first two and a half seasons were definitely rough and it was at times formulaic but in terms of characters, stories, principles, and stories I think it did the best job of conveying the essence of what makes Star Trek so wonderful.

    So with that, my ranking would be:

    TNG > DS9 > TOS > VOY > ENT > TAS

    I struggle with how I feel about Voyager and Enterprise, and some years I switch their rankings around. I feel bad for even putting The Animated Series in this because I am almost completely neutral towards it but I guess I'll tack it on the end.

    I can't rank DISCOVERY or PICARD against prior incarnations of Trek yet because it's still too early in their runs and there's not enough of a sample size of either show. But I think PICARD is far less convoluted than DISCOVERY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla2099 View Post
    I just watched DS9: What We Left Behind

    The writers outlined a story for a sequel 20 years later.. it sounds phenomenal. What I wouldn't give to see that made into a reality. This sounds better than anything currently released (If you love the current Star Trek, great, but its not doing it for me)

    If you haven't seen it, Shout TV has it for free.

    Highly Recommended.
    I liked the WWLB documentary but absolutely loathed their idea for a new episode/season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriggerWarning View Post
    I think the serialization is why most think it got good.

    It along with The X-Files, Wiseguy, and probably a few shows I'm forgetting were the first to flirt with serialization and helped bring about the golden age of television where we have now.
    I'm actually not a huge fan of serializations and I strongly think in a few years time, the era were are currently afflicted with will be known as the Dark Age of Television. So many of the shows that we associate with it ended poorly or are probably going too. Serialization works better in series that also have self-contained episodes too, such as Deep Space 9 and Avatar the Last Airbender. I say this with total sincerity, but the only recent, serialized shows that I still think are good are Steven Universe and She-Ra.
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