Star Trek: All of Em

[ChrisIII]

One of the early concepts of TAS was for the original crew to train a younger crew of teens. Funny thing is that idea sounds similar to one of TWOK's plot threads.

[DrNewGod]

What did you think the point of Wesley was?

In a fanzine published during S1 of TNG, Frakes said Picard, Riker and Wesley were supposed to be the same character at different ages, coming from three different origins stories. The conceit just didn't work in practice.

[nx01a]

In a fanzine published during S1 of TNG, Frakes said Picard, Riker and Wesley were supposed to be the same character at different ages, coming from three different origins stories. The conceit just didn't work in practice.

That's pretty high concept sci-fi.

Not quite the same but I'm reminded of Data in 'We'll Always Have Paris'...

[CosmiComic]

In a fanzine published during S1 of TNG, Frakes said Picard, Riker and Wesley were supposed to be the same character at different ages, coming from three different origins stories. The conceit just didn't work in practice.

As in the same person, or the same type of person?

[DrNewGod]

As in the same person, or the same type of person?

The same type of person. IIRC (mind you, this is 33 years ago), he said "the same person", but it seemed clear he was talking as an actor about his meta-sense of the characters. Don't blame anybody wanting clarification, given that we're talking Sci-Fi on a comics site

[ChrisIII]

Riker does seem to be a bit less Kirk-like and more stern as he ages. Funny thing is, Picard eventually loosens up as he grows older too.


There's sort of a fan rumor, or perhaps dropped plotline, that Picard is actually Wesley's real father, but there never seems to be any confirmation of this; although they were attracted to each other even before the Enterprise, I don't recall anything in TNG about that relationship being consumated at any point.

[CosmiComic]

The same type of person. IIRC (mind you, this is 33 years ago), he said "the same person", but it seemed clear he was talking as an actor about his meta-sense of the characters. Don't blame anybody wanting clarification, given that we're talking Sci-Fi on a comics site

Ok

Riker does seem to be a bit less Kirk-like and more stern as he ages. Funny thing is, Picard eventually loosens up as he grows older too.


There's sort of a fan rumor, or perhaps dropped plotline, that Picard is actually Wesley's real father, but there never seems to be any confirmation of this; although they were attracted to each other even before the Enterprise, I don't recall anything in TNG about that relationship being consumated at any point.

I've heard that Picard was intended to be Wesley's dad but it was never written that way

[thwhtGuardian]

Riker does seem to be a bit less Kirk-like and more stern as he ages. Funny thing is, Picard eventually loosens up as he grows older too.


There's sort of a fan rumor, or perhaps dropped plotline, that Picard is actually Wesley's real father, but there never seems to be any confirmation of this; although they were attracted to each other even before the Enterprise, I don't recall anything in TNG about that relationship being consumated at any point.

I've always liked that fan rumor, and although never official it seemed plausible not only given the relationship with Crusher but also how in the episode where Q takes Picard back to his days at the Academy and the actor who played the young Picard kind of looked like Wesley. I think that's where it kind of clicked for me, and my love of Usagi Yojimbo just made it seem like an even better idea.

[ChrisIII]

I think the episode where they both share telepathic abilities (Attached) Crusher was like "Why did you never tell me?" and Picard said he never acted on it either, so it's doubtful there was an intimate relationship.

[thwhtGuardian]

I think the episode where they both share telepathic abilities (Attached) Crusher was like "Why did you never tell me?" and Picard said he never acted on it either, so it's doubtful there was an intimate relationship.

Yeah, I certainly don't think it was ever actually intended to be done but it felt right so my head canon definitely leans that way.

[DrNewGod]

Riker does seem to be a bit less Kirk-like and more stern as he ages. Funny thing is, Picard eventually loosens up as he grows older too.


There's sort of a fan rumor, or perhaps dropped plotline, that Picard is actually Wesley's real father, but there never seems to be any confirmation of this; although they were attracted to each other even before the Enterprise, I don't recall anything in TNG about that relationship being consumated at any point.

I just can't imagine the producers of TNG having the guts for that.

[superduperman]

What do you all think that Roddenberry would think of things like Section 31 or Insurrection? Concepts that portray the Federation as less than noble?

[SJNeal]

What do you all think that Roddenberry would think of things like Section 31 or Insurrection? Concepts that portray the Federation as less than noble?

Pretty much every Admiral or Commodore we saw in TOS was shown to be less than desirable, the meaning of which I always took to mean "question authority", or the very least "don't take orders on blind faith".

So on the surface, I'm not sure Roddenberry would be as opposed to ideas like Section 31 as we might assume. However what we got was much darker than I think he would have been comfortable with, given his mindset in the 90's.

[Vic Vega]

The opening credits for Star Trek: Prodigy:

https://youtu.be/Bm9Zv8D70hA

[green_garnish]

What do you all think that Roddenberry would think of things like Section 31 or Insurrection? Concepts that portray the Federation as less than noble?

Many of the stories Roddenberry was involved in included rogue Starfleet officers, but not fleetwide shadow agencies or conspiracies. I don't think he would be pleased by that. The whole idea of Star Trek was that modern human problems were explored through the lens of alien worlds. Showing human problems by showing humans haven't evolved past their baser behaviors kind defeats the point.