Star Trek: All of Em

[Anthony W]

I still don't see the problem. I mean, did DS9 have to "earn" the right to use Chief O'Brien out the gate?

Miles O'Brien? Who was not a member of the main cast but was built up enough over time so that the fans cared enough that he was being promoted to the main cast of DS9?

A better example would be Worf who joined the cast of DS9 in season 4.

The reason why I care about this is because it's a test of their planning and impulse control, two things that Modern Trek really struggles with.

[ChrisIII]

Kind of funny how the TNG movies sort of just shoehorned him into FC and Inssurection. His FC cameo makes the most sense of course (The Defiant, after all, was meant to confront the Borg in the first place.). Nemesis didn't even bother to explain why he wasn't doing Klingon ambassador stuff and was back at Enterprise tactical. They could have explained he was only visiting for the wedding and couldn't get back to his regular post for some reason I guess? Of course they also stuck Wesley there for some reason, in Starfleet dress uniform despite not being part of starfleet anymore?


Funny thing is if you count his ST VI bit as Worf's grandfather, Dorn was in one more TREK movie than the rest of the TNG cast.

[WebLurker]

Miles O'Brien? Who was not a member of the main cast but was built up enough over time so that the fans cared enough that he was being promoted to the main cast of DS9?

A better example would be Worf who joined the cast of DS9 in season 4.

Same difference and the point still stands.

The reason why I care about this is because it's a test of their planning and impulse control, two things that Modern Trek really struggles with.

Which has nothing to do with the original question.

[Ascended]

I notice no one here is commenting on the revision of social issues on Discovery. I mean, the final episode of TOS, Turnabout Intruder, sort of established that women were not yet allowed to be promoted to the rank of captain, yet we see that's clearly not true from the first episode of Discovery. Doesn't bother me at all, but I wonder if it bothers anyone else, but they're afraid of being called sexist for mentioning it?

I actually forgot all about that. Don't think I've seen the final episode of TOS in decades.

Assuming we can trust the narrator in that moment and they're speaking truth? That's a super minor detail almost nobody will ever remember and it's for the best if it's forgotten. Not even retconned; just forgotten. We're already well past that point in today's world, it'd be franchise suicide to enforce something so ridiculous and minor.

[SJNeal]

Wondering if it's possible we'll see others from Discovery as well who didn't take the future trip: Ash, L'rell, maybe Mudd again, Amanda and Sarek....

I hope not.

I hope so! At least in regards to Ash and L'Rell; I loved both of the characters and actors.

[ChrisIII]

There seems to be a section 31 series in development, with Yeoh as lead of course (Guess the Guardian might've sent her back to the 23rd century), although not much beyond that.

[Anthony W]

Same difference

Actually it's not.

and the point still stands.

Flat on its face isn't standing.

Which has nothing to do with the original question.

Thanks for playing. Enjoy this set of Dinnerware.

[Anthony W]

Kind of funny how the TNG movies sort of just shoehorned him into FC and Inssurection. His FC cameo makes the most sense of course (The Defiant, after all, was meant to confront the Borg in the first place.). Nemesis didn't even bother to explain why he wasn't doing Klingon ambassador stuff and was back at Enterprise tactical. They could have explained he was only visiting for the wedding and couldn't get back to his regular post for some reason I guess? Of course they also stuck Wesley there for some reason, in Starfleet dress uniform despite not being part of starfleet anymore?


Funny thing is if you count his ST VI bit as Worf's grandfather, Dorn was in one more TREK movie than the rest of the TNG cast.

I really like DS9 Worf. The character felt more secure and in control on that show. I know that he will always be a TNG character but I think DS9 suited him. Did you know that Ensign Ro was meant to be on DS9 as well but ended up being replaced by the Kira Nerys character. Kira was a great character in her own right But a part of me will always wonder what the show would have been like with Ro. Kira and Ro look alike on the surface but they are very different once you dig into them.

[SJNeal]

Not saying it is but....

Bones was on the first episode on TNG and did nothing substantial, more of a wink at the audience and passing of the torch. They didn't even say his name.

Sarek didn't show up until season 3

Scotty didn't show up until season 4

Spock didn't show up until season 5

It was almost as if they wanted to earn those appearances. Contrast that with modern Trek that wants to play the greatest hits immediately. Heck, Burnham was shoehorned in as Spock's sister from the word go.

Season 6.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[babyblob]

I actually forgot all about that. Don't think I've seen the final episode of TOS in decades.

Assuming we can trust the narrator in that moment and they're speaking truth? That's a super minor detail almost nobody will ever remember and it's for the best if it's forgotten. Not even retconned; just forgotten. We're already well past that point in today's world, it'd be franchise suicide to enforce something so ridiculous and minor.

The one thing I loved about Star Trek was that everyone was equal, race, sex, it didnt matter, everyone was the same. That is at least how iit was written. Then kirk busts out with the last line of the series and I couldnt help but laugh in the WTF moments.

"Her life could have been as rich as any woman's, if only. If only." He did not say her life could have been as full as anyone's nope he said as any womans. So there was still a bit of a divide.

[Captain Craig]

Did you know that Ensign Ro was meant to be on DS9 as well but ended up being replaced by the Kira Nerys character. Kira was a great character in her own right But a part of me will always wonder what the show would have been like with Ro. Kira and Ro look alike on the surface but they are very different once you dig into them.

Not sure if this was a general inquiry or directed at someone BUT, I did know.

I've wondered on occasion what the show's dynamic would've been like and how storylines would've gone different if it had been Ro instead of Kira. The only explanation I recall that was given was that Michelle Forbes, at that moment in time, didn't want a full time character role on tv. Like Kirstie Allie she wanted to be doing Features...that didn't wholly work out. Which is why when I'd see Forbes on nuBSG and True Blood I just chuckled. You passed on a great gig but hey life and your career is about chances. Sure Things, who wants that?!

[CosmiComic]

The one thing I loved about Star Trek was that everyone was equal, race, sex, it didnt matter, everyone was the same. That is at least how iit was written. Then kirk busts out with the last line of the series and I couldnt help but laugh in the WTF moments.

"Her life could have been as rich as any woman's, if only. If only." He did not say her life could have been as full as anyone's nope he said as any womans. So there was still a bit of a divide.

The whole 'women can't be captains' thing was always dumb. I can't even understand why it was there in the first place

[Castle]

The one thing I loved about Star Trek was that everyone was equal, race, sex, it didnt matter, everyone was the same. That is at least how iit was written. Then kirk busts out with the last line of the series and I couldnt help but laugh in the WTF moments.

"Her life could have been as rich as any woman's, if only. If only." He did not say her life could have been as full as anyone's nope he said as any womans. So there was still a bit of a divide.

This may have been true in theory, but to be honest in the 60s TOS. Kirk, Spock and Mccoy were the only characters that really mattered on the show. Sulu, Chapel, Uhura, Chekov, Rand were all disposable on that show.

Trek did not start real equality of characters until TNG. In TNG at least I was convinced enough that Crusher, Troi, Guinan and Katherine Pulaski were important.

[CosmiComic]

This may have been true in theory, but to be honest in the 60s TOS. Kirk, Spock and Mccoy were the only characters that really mattered on the show. Sulu, Chapel, Uhura, Chekov, Rand were all disposable on that show.

Trek did not start real equality of characters until TNG. In TNG at least I was convinced enough that Crusher, Troi, Guinan and Katherine Pulaski were important.

ToS had a problem with balancing the characters.

[Malvolio]

The whole 'women can't be captains' thing was always dumb. I can't even understand why it was there in the first place

It was there because network executives were against it, not Roddenberry. One of the reasons the original pilot didn't sell was because network executives were convinced that viewers wouldn't accept a female first officer, much less a female captain.