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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Hunter View Post
    He is going off crazy reddit posts that have no facts backing them up. He thinks because Donner and Kinberg had a deal to produce with Fox that somehow make them the owners of the properties. He is wrong and has been told so over and over and over by dozens of people, but he refuses to believe it
    I don't think it is but say it's true what does it mean for the future of the the xmen movies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop View Post
    I don't think it is but say it's true what does it mean for the future of the the xmen movies?
    Better question: how has Fox been making all these X-Men movies when they do not actually have the film rights to the X-Men?

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    Had to make some edits and deletions this morning.

    Let's dial down the personal commentary a notch, guys, and stick to the subject at hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop View Post
    I don't think it is but say it's true...
    But it's not/can't be, because the FACTS are:

    Film (live action?) rights = FoX (soon Disney/MCU)
    TV (live action) rights = FoX AND Disney/Marvel Entertainment (soon, just the latter)
    Everything else, including animation, games, comics, toys & other merch, etc. = Disney/Marvel Entertainment (already actual IP owners now, in totality soon)

    Any assertion otherwise, is just categorically false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heroine Addict View Post
    But it's not/can't be, because the FACTS are:

    Film (live action?) rights = FoX (soon Disney/MCU)
    TV (live action) rights = FoX AND Disney/Marvel Entertainment (soon, just the latter)
    Everything else, including animation, games, comics, toys & other merch, etc. = Disney/Marvel Entertainment (already actual IP owners now, in totality soon)

    Any assertion otherwise, is just categorically false.
    Fox only ever had was the film rights. Everything else like TV, video games and merchandise were with Marvel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Weapon View Post
    Fox only ever had was the film rights. Everything else like TV, video games and merchandise were with Marvel.
    That's not exactly true, either. Live action TV projects--like Gifted & Legion--HAD to be agreed upon, joint efforts, between Marvel AND FoX. Neither could do so, on their own. Not without a lawsuit, anyway. But that will soon change, with both companies sitting under one, House of Mouse roof, when the merger deal is complete & finalized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heroine Addict View Post
    That's not exactly true, either. Live action TV projects--like Gifted & Legion--HAD to be agreed upon, joint efforts, between Marvel AND FoX. Neither could do so, on their own. Not without a lawsuit, anyway. But that will soon change, with both companies sitting under one, House of Mouse roof, when the merger deal is complete & finalized.
    The Gifted and Legion had to be agreed on because Fox wanted X-Men TV shows. If Marvel wanted to make an X-Men cartoon they wouldn't need to discuss anything with Fox. Wolverine appeared in Avengers: Earth's Mightest Heroes and Deadpool appeared on Ultimate Spider-Man.

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    Donner might owns The XMen, then signed a distribution deal with Fox.
    Here the article from 2017:
    https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/...man-took-over/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders View Post
    Donner owns The XMen, then signed a distribution deal with Fox.
    Here the article from 2017:
    https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/...man-took-over/
    Even when the Disney Fox merger is complete she could take it to any other studio like WB, Sony, Paramount, Universal etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders View Post
    Donner owns The XMen, then signed a distribution deal with Fox.
    Here the article from 2017:
    https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/...man-took-over/
    So you are basically saying that Fox has never made an X-Men movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankyspaceout View Post
    Even when the Disney Fox merger is complete she could take it to any other studio like WB, Sony, Paramount, Universal etc?
    No she secured the rights for Fox with Avi Arad and Stan Lee here's a piece on her by Vanity Fair a better source than a Clickbait website.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...nner-interview

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz79 View Post
    No she secured the rights for Fox with Avi Arad and Stan Lee here's a piece on her by Vanity Fair a better source than a Clickbait website.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...nner-interview
    The VF article isn’t going into the little details of how it happened.

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    Donner helped to lock down film rights for the characters. Film rights means distribution rights.
    But she still owns the producing rights
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankyspaceout View Post
    Even when the Disney Fox merger is complete she could take it to any other studio like WB, Sony, Paramount, Universal etc?
    Yes, but she won’t. She wants to work with Feige to bring the XMen and Averagers together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal Weapon View Post
    The Gifted and Legion had to be agreed on because Fox wanted X-Men TV shows. If Marvel wanted to make an X-Men cartoon they wouldn't need to discuss anything with Fox. Wolverine appeared in Avengers: Earth's Mightest Heroes and Deadpool appeared on Ultimate Spider-Man.
    Cartoons aren't live action, which is what was designated. I noted that Marvel retained rights to animation/cartoons in my original post, proof being:


    ... neither of which had anything to do with FoX. But you are mistaken, in that Marvel could not make a LIVE ACTION X-Men show, without working out an agreement to do so with FoX. They tried with something that was just similar, and in name only pretty much, back in the early 2000's. And then were subsequently sued by FoX:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_X_(TV_series)
    ... On April 15, 2001, 20th Century Fox sued Marvel, Tribune Entertainment, and Fireworks Entertainment for breach of their licensing agreement and false advertisement. Fox stated it had exclusive rights from Marvel to develop the X-Men property, and anything similar was an infringement. Fox claimed that Mutant X was too similar to X-Men, and Mutant X was being advertised as an "X-Men replacement."

    Marvel countersued Fox, saying that the two were dissimilar and asking the courts to allow Mutant X production to go forward. Production was allowed, as long as X-Men material was not used in the promotion of Mutant X.

    On March 9, 2003, Fox and Marvel resolved their differences in a confidential settlement of their suits. Meanwhile, Fox continued to pursue their case against Tribune and Fireworks. Tribune sued Marvel for fraud and breach of contract, claiming Marvel encouraged Tribune to connect Mutant X to the X-Men, misrepresented what they were getting in their license, and caused millions in losses due to the need to alter storylines and characters to ensure the mandated distance between Mutant X and X-Men, as well as fighting Fox's litigation. ...
    I hope this clears things up for you. Also, for others, note that Lauren Shuler Donner is mentioned NOWHERE!

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