The Hawkman/Hawkgirl?John Stewart Love Triangle

[Bored at 3:00AM]

This was brought up on the John Stewart Appreciation thread, but I'd like to hear from Hawkman/Hawkgirl fans about this.

In the Justice League cartoon, Geoff Johns introduced the wrinkle that John Stewart had also been in ancient Egypt with Khufu and Chay-Ara in his past life and a quasi-Lancelot/Guinevere affair between John & Hawkgirl ensued.

At the time, Hawkman fans were rightfully pissed at this notion because it undercut the very foundation upon which the whole modern Hawkman/Hawkgirl reincarnated romance idea was built upon by making Hawkman a cuckold.

However, now that Snyder has introduced the idea that Hawkman & Hawkgirl have been reincarnating for far longer that previously established, that their original incarnations were not, in fact, Khufu & Chay-Ara, could Johns idea be introduced into the DCU proper now?

What do you think?

[Ra-El]

I hope not, this way Hawkman and Hawkgirl go from eternal love to a woman condemned to eternity besides a guy she don't love, while the guy is condemned to pass all eternity running after a girl who doesn't love him.
I think that if they decide to do a Sterwart and Kendra romance they should just pretend Hawkaman don't exist in Justice League and in the Hawkman comic they should just pretend Hawkgirl don't exist either.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I hope not, this way Hawkman and Hawkgirl go from eternal love to a woman condemned to eternity besides a guy she don't love, while the guy is condemned to pass all eternity running after a girl who doesn't love him.
I think that if they decide to do a Sterwart and Kendra romance they should just pretend Hawkaman don't exist in Justice League and in the Hawkman comic they should just pretend Hawkgirl don't exist either.

Is that how love works? Not in my experience. Is it not possible that Hawkgirl loves and has loved Hawkman for literally thousands of years, but, for one of those untold, that love was strained and Hawkgirl's heart belonged to another man for a time?

I think adding a small flaw to Hawkman and Hawkgirl's millennias-long romance makes it far more interesting because it adds an element of tension and unpredictability to a story that would otherwise be treading water waiting for the inevitable.

[Anthony Shaw]

Is that how love works? Not in my experience. Is it not possible that Hawkgirl loves and has loved Hawkman for literally thousands of years, but, for one of those untold, that love was strained and Hawkgirl's heart belonged to another man for a time?

I think adding a small flaw to Hawkman and Hawkgirl's millennias-long romance makes it far more interesting because it adds an element of tension and unpredictability to a story that would otherwise be treading water waiting for the inevitable.

I did not like it when Roy hooked up with Kendra.

Any romantic rivals should be Hawkman/Hawkgirl characters from their mythos, imo.

[Ra-El]

Is that how love works? Not in my experience. Is it not possible that Hawkgirl loves and has loved Hawkman for literally thousands of years, but, for one of those untold, that love was strained and Hawkgirl's heart belonged to another man for a time?

I think adding a small flaw to Hawkman and Hawkgirl's millennias-long romance makes it far more interesting because it adds an element of tension and unpredictability to a story that would otherwise be treading water waiting for the inevitable.

When was the last time Hawkman and Hawkgirl were together? I honestly don't know, but I start reading comics on 2013 and don't remember it ever happening.
As I said they can do a romance between Kendra and Jonh, what I don't want is read the Hawkman solo and see Carter daydreaming about how much he loves Kendra when the previous week i readed Justice League and saw Hawkgirl and Green Lantern super happy on a date, or worst having to read a Hawkman cameo on Justice League with the only purpose of having Hawkgirl dumping him for John.
The true problem is that the writers seems to think that the romance only works from Carter's side, if they they decide to have Kendra move on they should let Hawkman do the same. I will not mind if they put Kendra with someone else, as long as they pretend Hawkman don't exist on JL and she is completely ignored on his solo and find him a new love interest.
As long as is a one sided love, is just sad and I don't have interest in a comic book about a guy crying over a woman who is happy with someone else, even if this guy looks super cool and have wings.

[lemonpeace]

When was the last time Hawkman and Hawkgirl were together? I honestly don't know, but I started to read comics on 2013 and don't remember it ever happening.
As I said they can do a romance between Kendra and Jonh, what I don't want is read the Hawkman solo and see Carter daydreaming about how much he loves Kendra when the previous week i readed Justice League and saw Hawkgirl and Green Lantern super happy on a date, or worst having to read a Hawkman cameo on Justice League with the only purpose of having Hawkgirl dumping him for John.
The true problem is that the writers seems to think that the romance only works from Carter's side, if they they decide to have Kendra move on they should let Hawkman do the same. I will not mind if they put Kendra with someone else, as long as they pretend Hawkman don't exist on JL and she is completely ignored on his solo and find him a new love interest.
As long as is a one sided love, is just sad and I don't have interst in a comic book about a guy crying over a woman who is happy with someone else, even if this guy looks super cool and have wings.

I agree, if they do go the route of John and Kendra together, then they should make it so that Carter isn't some lovesick weirdo or a jilted ex. Have him give his blessing or have his own love life. Hell, maybe they could make it a part of his and her stories by them taking on the mission to break the reincarnation cycle; then introduce the Kendra/John later unrelated to Carter's story.

[Ra-El]

I agree, if they do go the route of John and Kendra together, then they should make it so that Carter isn't some lovesick weirdo or a jilted ex. Have him give his blessing or have his own love life. Hell, maybe they could make it a part of his and her stories by them taking on the mission to break the reincarnation cycle; then introduce the Kendra/John later unrelated to Carter's story.

Some times I think if would not be better if on the last reboot they had make Carter and Kendra brother and sister, they would still be tied together, but not in a way that would prevent the writers from having them on other relationships.

[Armor of God]

When was the last time Hawkman and Hawkgirl were together? I honestly don't know, but I start reading comics on 2013 and don't remember it ever happening.
As I said they can do a romance between Kendra and Jonh, what I don't want is read the Hawkman solo and see Carter daydreaming about how much he loves Kendra when the previous week i readed Justice League and saw Hawkgirl and Green Lantern super happy on a date, or worst having to read a Hawkman cameo on Justice League with the only purpose of having Hawkgirl dumping him for John.
The true problem is that the writers seems to think that the romance only works from Carter's side, if they they decide to have Kendra move on they should let Hawkman do the same. I will not mind if they put Kendra with someone else, as long as they pretend Hawkman don't exist on JL and she is completely ignored on his solo and find him a new love interest.
As long as is a one sided love, is just sad and I don't have interest in a comic book about a guy crying over a woman who is happy with someone else, even if this guy looks super cool and have wings.

Strange argument really. They were together in Brightest Day. The reason you didn't see them together during the New 52 years is because New 52 was busy gutting iconic relationships for lols.
This argument can easily be flipped, when was the last time anyone saw John and Hawkgirl together? Only ever in a cartoon that ended more than a decade ago.

Its a headache inducing situation and logistically doesn't work for the same reason Black Panther & Storm didn't pan out or why Superman & Wonder Woman ended.

[Jabare]

Stewart won

[lemonpeace]

But even changing their origin to some degree, I don't foresee them trying to alter what is generally a pretty big dynamic to the Hawks and their relationship.

I agree, although I'm for the pairing personally, I'm doubtful DC would be willing to go down that road. I'm just saying, narratively there is room for it to happen should they do so.

Strange argument really. They were together in Brightest Day. The reason you didn't see them together during the New 52 years is because New 52 was busy gutting iconic relationships for lols.
This argument can easily be flipped, when was the last time anyone saw John and Hawkgirl together? Only ever in a cartoon that ended more than a decade ago.

Its a headache inducing situation and logistically doesn't work for the same reason Black Panther & Storm didn't pan out or why Superman & Wonder Woman ended.

I don't think those are apt comparisons. Storm and Black Panther worked pretty well until Marvel just up and decided to fuck every X-character in the dumbest ways possible. Superman and Wonder Woman were too big and the Clark/Lois dynamic was too ironic to be touched. Neither John or Hawkgirl's are as iconic as Superman and Wonder Woman and their biggest claim to fame is largely the cartoon so it wouldn't be AS jarring of a shake up because people have been primed for it so to speak. Although I guess you have a point if you mean the threat of editorial conflict that'll always loom.

[Anthony Shaw]

[Autotune]Keep them platonic!!!!!!!!![/Blackbolt mode]

IMO, Marvel messed up a lot platonic & romantic relationships with unnecessary love triangles.

I loved the DCAU romance, but I don't think it should transfer to the books.

I think John & Hawkgirl should gave a deep friendship that hopeful Carter understands.

A friendship between Carter & John would also be interesting.

I think Carter would be more open to discuss social justice issues with John over Oliver, seriously.

I think this could be an example of where a woman & man have a deep friendship sans sexual tension.

[Raijin]

Piggybacking off of what Shaw is saying. A deep friendship between a man and woman WITHOUT sexual tension can be very groundbreaking. Men and women never have a platonic relationship with each other. It's so rare. Hell it can lead to more interactions between John and Carter. Carter has been going into space in his series so the potential is there. I really don't want a love triangle. Those are messy and makes all parties look bad.

[Anthony Shaw]

Piggybacking off of what Shaw is saying. A deep friendship between a man and woman WITHOUT sexual tension can be very groundbreaking. Men and women never have a platonic relationship with each other. It's so rare. Hell it can lead to more interactions between John and Carter. Carter has been going into space in his series so the potential is there. I really don't want a love triangle. Those are messy and makes all parties look bad.

Marvel messed up a lot of long term friendships & relationships with short term hook-ups.

Looking at the X-Men, it made sense when Emma Frost helped break up a marriage, because she is a selfish, sleaze ball (I love the character).

However, John, Carter, & Kendra are all good people. They deserve better ventures in story-telling.

I'd rather see Barry, Ray, & Hal laugh as Oliver throws an epic fit seeing John, Carter, & Kendra having deep conversation about how the League can help humanity outside of just defending it from super-powered evildoers.

[vartox]

However, now that Snyder has introduced the idea that Hawkman & Hawkgirl have been reincarnating for far longer that previously established, that their original incarnations were not, in fact, Khufu & Chay-Ara, could Johns idea be introduced into the DCU proper now?

What do you think?

I don't really want this triangle to be canon whether that was their first incarnations or not, nor do I want to see a modern day version of it in comics To my knowledge Kendra HAS had other love interests--Roy Harper and Pieter Cross come to mind--while Carter hasn't had any other love interests (outside of an off-panel fling with Power Girl?). People keep saying Hawkman & Hawkgirl will end up together eventually but they've been together (briefly) maybe twice in the past 30 years? Do they really need any more roadblocks when DC themselves won't let it happen? At this point I would just like to see them together, I am not interested in seeing either of them in a romantic relationship with somebody else.

[Frontier]

I don't really want this triangle to be canon whether that was their first incarnations or not, nor do I want to see a modern day version of it in comics To my knowledge Kendra HAS had other love interests--Roy Harper and Pieter Cross come to mind--while Carter hasn't had any other love interests (outside of an off-panel fling with Power Girl?). People keep saying Hawkman & Hawkgirl will end up together eventually but they've been together (briefly) maybe twice in the past 30 years? Do they really need any more roadblocks when DC themselves won't let it happen? At this point I would just like to see them together, I am not interested in seeing either of them in a romantic relationship with somebody else.

And considering how those relationships ended up, Kendra doesn't have the best track record with guys who aren't Carter.

Really, I liked Hawkgirl and John's romance in the DCAU, but I just don't see what adapting it would bring to the comics other then screwing over Hawkman. It's bad enough he's still flying solo in his own book .