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    Quote Originally Posted by FUBAR007 View Post
    What Jordan White is forgetting (or doesn't know) is that Jean expelled Maddie's personality from her mind in X-Factor #50. Jean retains Madelyne's memories, but not her soul. Presumably, when Nate Grey resurrected Madelyne, that expelled soul is what he gave new life. He didn't pull Maddie out of Jean's mind.
    Very true.

    I hope Madelyne can get a story sometime in the future that allows her to move forward as a character. With Kwannon back, (who was brought into the stories to be another Psylocke) anything's possible, IMO.

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    Uncanny X-Men #235 Oct 1988
    "Welcome to Genosha"
    Welcome to Genosha, a prosperous island paradise... if you're a human.
    Case in point, a lone mutant flees into the night with his young child using his powers
    to escape the deadly Magistrates and smuggle the child aboard a commercial jet to Australia.
    While the mutant succeeds in smuggling the child into the planes landing gear,
    he himself is spotted and sent fleeing until he is shot and killed by the Magistrates.

    When news of the child's discovery hits the newspapers, the Genoshan government
    sends their Press Gang to collect not only the escaped child, but Jennifer Ransome.
    Ransome, the daughter of a governor, had her gene testing doctored to appear as though she was a normal human, when in reality she is a mutant.
    Waiting at the airport, the Press Gang waits for Ransome -- a nurse for the Australian flying doctors service -- to arrive.
    She arrives in a plane flown by Madelyne Pryor.

    When they disembark from their plane, the Press Gang attacks them head on.

    When Jennifer pleads that she is innocent and an Australian citizen, they tell her that a Genoshan born is always a Genoshan and subject to their law.
    They are then taken to Pipeline who uses his special modem to convert both Jennifer and Madelyne

    into data and electronically transmit them to Genosha for processing.

    With Madelyne unaccounted for a few hours, the X-Men decide to investigate, sending Rogue first who spots Madelyne's wrecked plane.
    Gateway then teleports both Storm and Wolverine to the location to investigate the wreckage
    and Logan determines there was some kind of struggle as the two women were dragged onto a jet that just recently left.
    Relaying this information to Alex (who is surprised about how concerned he is over Madelyne)
    scans the flight data using their hideouts sophisticated computer systems.
    Finding them difficult at first, he manages to track the flight to Sydney, Australia.
    Soon the entire team is dispatched to the Sydney Airport where Wolverine determines that the scents of their kidnappers is still fresh in the plane,
    but those of Madelyne and Jennifer are not as such, as though they got on the plane but left well before their kidnappers did.

    Tracking the Press Gang's scents, Logan and Rogue find themselves at a hospital where they put on disguises to sneak into the pediatric ward.
    When they are stopped by Punchout, Logan recognizes her scent as one of the kidnappers and attacks.
    When Punchout knocks Wolverine back and tries to land a blow on Rogue, Rogue absorbs her super-strength and knocks her out.
    When Logan and Rogue confront Hawkshaw and Pipeline, they panic and use Pipeline's
    modem to transmit a Magistrate soldier who blasts them out of the building.
    Seeing that they need reinforcements, they then summon and entire squad of Magistrates
    to their location to deal with the mutants that have come to oppose them while they go looking for Punchout.

    While the other X-Men approach the hospital they are soon attacked by the Magistrate soldiers transported to the hospital.
    Despite their superior fire power, ruthless nature, and complete disregard for human life,
    the Magistrates are soon easily defeated in combat by the X-Men who bind them up, and flee when they hear the authorities coming,
    with Psylocke altering their memories so they cannot clearly remember who attacked them.
    Meanwhile, Pipeline, Hawkshaw and Punchout come across Wolverine and Rogue, who are still knocked out.
    Realizing that they cannot be detected on any of their scanning equipment,
    they decide that the two X-Men are of interest and have them teleported to Genosha for examination.

    While later, when the authorities arrive they find the Magistrates all bound up in steel girders with the X-Men's calling card.
    When they ask the Magistrates what happened they refuse to talk and
    the officer tells them that whoever did this to them will likely come back for more information from them,
    and whatever might happen might be more than they'll deserve.

    Story by Chris Claremont. Art by Rick Leonardi and P. Craig Russell.
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    Uncanny X-Men #236 Oct 1988
    "Busting Loose...!"
    Wolverine and Rogue have found themselves transported to Genosha, an island nation
    that forces it's mutant population into slavery, and they are not happy about it.
    Fighting their way through the Magistrates that await them when they are transported by the Press Gang member named Pipeline,
    the two mutants fight off their captors and manage to bust out of the extraction room.
    In the next room they find Madelyne Pryor and Jennifer Ransome prisoners.
    However, before they can rescue their friends, the Genoshan known as Wipeout nullifies their powers.

    Elsewhere on the island, Philip Moreau, son of David -- the Genegineer of Genosha -- is awoken by an early morning phone call for his father.
    Going out to see his father working on the garden, he tells him that he is needed right away.
    When a craft comes by to pick him up, it burns some of the grass, however one of the mutant slaves
    Mutate #7781 uses its powers to repair the damage done while Philip goes on his morning jog before classes.
    As the Genegineer is flown to the Genoshan capital, he is briefed by Chief Anderson
    who tells him about the two mutants that were brought to Genosha by the Press Gang.
    She explains that they are invisible to any of their equipment scans and that any attempt to record or search information regarding them turns up nothing.
    Data entered into their databases also leads to the data being deleted, making them wonder if a virus is at work.
    When checking in on the two, they find Wolverine passed out and Rogue in a catatonic state.
    Anderson explains to the Genegineer that some of her Magistrate troops had their
    way with her before they were discovered and she has been in that state ever since.
    She explains that the Press Gang are still in Australia working to extract the soldiers
    that were arrested there after their clash with a group of unknown mutants.

    This happens to be the X-Men, who teleport into the captured Magistrates cells and demand answers.
    When the guards refuse, Storm orders Psylocke to probe his mind.
    Doing so she learns all about Genosha, and how it has enslaved it's mutant population as a worker class.
    Disgusted by what she sees she lashes out on them until Colossus pleads her to stop.
    As they teleport back to their base, Psylocke warns them that if their friends have suffered at their hands she will make them pay.
    Just after the X-Men depart, the Press Gang break into the prison to free their comrades.
    The X-Men meanwhile go from their base, learn what Betsy has pulled from the minds of the Magistrates and teleport off to Genosha to rescue their friends.
    While deep below their base, the demon known as N'Astirh attempts to contact Madelyne Pryor via
    the bases communications system, but finds that nobody is there but assures that he will be back later.

    While elsewhere in Genosha, Phillip Moreau goes on his daily jog when he sees the Ransome family being arrested by the Magistrates.
    As Jenny is his fiancée he demands to know what's going on.
    Instead of answers, Phillip is roughed up by one of the Magistrates until he realizes who the boy is and lets him go.
    They explain that the Ransome family was found guilty of switching Jenny's gene scan with some other girls.
    Phillip does not want to believe it and flees the scene.
    In the holding cells, Rogue continues to withdraw into herself following her first "intimate" encounter with people being a near rape.
    In her subconscious mind she finds traces of the psyches of all those who she had touched when her powers were still active.
    There she runs into the psyche of Carol Danvers, who asks Rogue to let her take
    over as her military training skills can help get them out of the trouble they are in.
    With no options or guarentees that Carol will return control back to her, she agrees to do so.
    When Magistrates enter her cell to rough her up for the trouble they got in earlier,
    Carol uses her combat training to easily beat them and steals one of their uniforms and keys.
    She then goes to Logan's cell and finds that Logan is in pretty rough shape due to having his powers nullified.
    Recognizing Carol's personality, Logan tells her to leave him, but she refuses to do so after he saved her from the KGB many years earlier.
    Dressing Logan up in one of the uniforms they sneak out of their cell block and find that Madelyne and Jennifer are missing.

    Back at the Genegineer's residence, Phillip accesses his fathers computer and learns the truth,
    that his Jenny is a mutate and that she was to be re-engineered as a mining slave.
    When he father enters the room, he demands answers and when he realizes the shocking truth
    -- that Genosha's prosperity has come on the backs of mutant slaves,
    he cannot bring himself to believe that Jenny is a mutant, or that she is going to be genegineered into a slave.

    His father grimly tells his son that it has already been done.

    Back at the Citadel, guards begin the genegineering process on Madelyne and Jennifer, when suddenly N'Astirh appears on one of the monitors.
    Seeing that she is busy, he asks if he should call on her another time, Madelyne tells the demon to come later and the monitor suddenly explodes.

    While not far away, Logan and Carol decide to try to sneak out of Genosha in a craft,
    fighting their way through guards and stealing one they make a clean getaway.

    Carol tells Logan that they'll get their powers back and when they do, they'll come back and make the Genoshans regret every crossing paths with them.

    Story by Chris Claremont. Art by Marc Silvestri and Dan Green.

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    I miss the days when a healing factor didn't mean immortality.

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    Scott is a fuccboi. Genuine piece of dog ****. That is all

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChibaMariners View Post
    Scott is a fuccboi. Genuine piece of dog ****. That is all
    Well, without Scott, Maddie would never have existed.
    Without Jean, Maddie would never have ceased to exist.

    So does Rachel. Whenever Jean is around, she's thrown in the trash.
    Soon it will be Hope turn.

    So direct your hatred to Jean. She's to blame for Maddie being treated like crap.
    If Jean had remained dead, Maddie would still be in the center of the x-books.

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    Uncanny X-Men #237 Nov 1988
    "Who's Human?"
    The Genoshan Magistrates have detected the transport that Logan and Rogue (whose Carol Danvers persona has taken over her psyche)
    stole as it flies across the Indian Ocean. However, when they board the ship they find that it is empty and has been booby trapped.
    Although they narrowly avoid casualties, it informs them that the two loose mutants are still on Genoshan soil.
    While Chief Anderson finds this a relief, the Genegineer -- David Moreau -- still finds that this whole incident still has the potential of being an utter fiasco.
    They both find the idea that two mutants who have had their powers nullified by Wipeout incredible
    and are frustrated by the fact that their scanners still cannot detect them.
    Further, attempts to use their technology to examine the two mutants proved equally as
    frustrating as any data about Wolverine and Rogue entered into the computers was instantly erased.
    However, all the hard copy work remains intact and the Genegineer is happy to see that the nullification
    of Logan's powers has caused his hemoglobin count to drastically drop, and that he will die within the day.

    Meanwhile, in the streets, Logan and Carol attempt to keep a low profile and upon catching a promotional
    video on Genoshan prosperity, Logan finds it a crock as it has come from mutants being slaves to the human population.
    After watching some Magistrates giving a garbage clearing Mutate a hard time, Logan reunites with Carol who has put on a revealing outfit.
    She explains that this will help them steal some new security passes, as the ones they lifted
    from the Magistraites they jumped in the Citadel would likely have been red flagged by now.
    Entering a bar full of Magistrates, Carol does her thing while Logan keeps a low profile.
    Also in the bar is Philip Moreau, drinking his sorrows away after hearing his fiancée
    Jenny had been tagged as a mutant and is to be shipped off the slave camps.
    When the Magistrates pick a fight with Philip, Logan uses it as an opportunity to escalate the fight into a full on bar brawl.
    In the middle of the fight, Logan and Carol grab as many security passes as they can get and high tail it out of the bar.
    However, when Phillip is tossed outside they overhear the Magistrates, who bring the fight out with him, recognize him as the Genegineer's son.
    They decide to teach the boy a lesson by putting him in a Mutate skin-suit and tossing him on the next Mute train out of town.
    Thinking this might be something of benefit for them, Logan and Carol decide to follow after them
    and board the Mute Train -- which they are disturbed to see is powered by a mutant slave.

    At the Citadel, Jenny -- who is just beginning the gengineering process to change her
    healing powers into ones that can form rock and minerals is brought before the Genegineer.
    When she begs David not to do this to her, he tells her that a Genoshan citizen has to do their part for the
    prosperity of their country, and that without the mutant workers they would not be able to maintain their quality of life.

    When he is told that Mutant-9818 (Madelyne) is ready for psi-scans he tells the guards that Mutant-9817 (Jenny) is ready for final processing.
    In the psi-scanning room, the technicians bond Madelyne's skin suit to her body and begin psi-probing her mind,

    however she warns them to stay out and begins to resist the psi-probe.

    Meanwhile, the other X-Men arrive on the island before a convoy of Magistrates that are on patrol.
    The soldiers are shocked to see that none of the mutants register on their scanning devices and the X-Men make short work of them.
    With the Magistrates defeated, Storm orders Psylocke to scan their minds for useful information.
    She finds rudimentary psi-screens but as she attempts to cut through them she suddenly reels back and screams in pain.
    This is caused by Madelyne, who has caused a psychic backlash on her psi-probers which slaughtered them all
    and sends out an alarm to the Magistrates who escort an increasingly weary Genegineer to her location.

    When Betsy recovers from the attack, she tells her friends the source of the psychic scream was shielded from her.

    While aboard the Mute Train, Wolverine and Carol realize that they need to take cover inside the train.
    Logan opens the door with one of his claws and Carol is surprised when Logan begins to bleed heavily.
    Bandaging up his hand he explains that his healing factor used to heal the wounds, every time his claws would pop out cutting through his skin.
    Carol realizes that Logan has been getting weaker by the hour and realizes that if they do not do something soon, Logan will die.
    They find Phillip Moreau among the Mutates, and as they are recovering him the mutants aboard the train begin to swarm them.
    This is until other Magistrates board the train, having detected the disturbance, and begin beating down the mutants.
    When the captain demands answers from Logan and Carol (not realizing they are escaped mutant prisoners) they explain that they came for Moreau's son.
    The captain tells the two to get the boy out and bring him to turn the boy over to their superiors to let them handle it.

    As Logan and Carol carry the unconscious Philip to a jeep, Logan is furious at the sight of mutants being beaten by their slave masters
    and swears to Carol that he will not leave Genosha until he brings the entire country crashing down.

    Story by Chris Claremont. Art by Rick Leonardi and Terry Austin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuteClops View Post
    Well, without Scott, Maddie would never have existed.
    Without Jean, Maddie would never have ceased to exist.

    So does Rachel. Whenever Jean is around, she's thrown in the trash.
    Soon it will be Hope turn.

    So direct your hatred to Jean. She's to blame for Maddie being treated like crap.
    If Jean had remained dead, Maddie would still be in the center of the x-books.
    this is factually wrong.
    Hope for example was mostly on Limbo before Jean came back
    Jean had nothing to do with the storyline from Gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit2011 View Post
    this is factually wrong.
    Hope for example was mostly on Limbo before Jean came back
    Jean had nothing to do with the storyline from Gold.
    Jean is the reason Hope was plucked out of obscurity. She made her return last year in her solo. Marvel just established a relationship with them with Jean being a surrogate figure in place of Cable.

    Quote Originally Posted by CuteClops View Post
    Well, without Scott, Maddie would never have existed.
    Without Jean, Maddie would never have ceased to exist.

    So does Rachel. Whenever Jean is around, she's thrown in the trash.
    Soon it will be Hope turn.

    So direct your hatred to Jean. She's to blame for Maddie being treated like crap.
    If Jean had remained dead, Maddie would still be in the center of the x-books.
    If Jean has remained dead, Maddie would have been revealed to have been Jean, essentially making her never her own character

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    If you guys want to start throwing blame around blame editorial. Claremont planned for Scott to retire w/Maddie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuteClops View Post
    Well, without Scott, Maddie would never have existed.
    Without Jean, Maddie would never have ceased to exist.

    So does Rachel. Whenever Jean is around, she's thrown in the trash.
    Soon it will be Hope turn.

    So direct your hatred to Jean. She's to blame for Maddie being treated like crap.
    If Jean had remained dead, Maddie would still be in the center of the x-books.
    But it isn't my fault I was given those beans/You persuaded me to trade away my cow for beans

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    Has Madelyne flown anything since Inferno?
    I'm reading it right now, and also a massive airplane nerd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drey View Post
    Very true.

    I hope Madelyne can get a story sometime in the future that allows her to move forward as a character. With Kwannon back, (who was brought into the stories to be another Psylocke) anything's possible, IMO.
    Nothing has been done with Kwannon, and I've heard to hear of any future stories on her. I think the only Maddie we will see, if we see her at all will be demon Goblin Queen from the Secret Wars. Even Rachel has been written out of the picture. Hope made a line up of X-Men because she has a very different power set from Jean. Rachel and Maddie are knockoffs, in an universe full of telepaths/telekinetics. When is why they decided to use the demonic Secret Wars Goblin Queen who at least has her demonic powers to distinguish her from Jean. Of course, 616 Maddie had a connection to the Phoenix, but anyone who has had a connection to the Phoenix had it removed as future Phoenix storylines are reserved for Jean Grey (X-Men Dark Phoenix coming out).

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    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreeter View Post
    Nothing has been done with Kwannon, and I've heard to hear of any future stories on her. I think the only Maddie we will see, if we see her at all will be demon Goblin Queen from the Secret Wars. Even Rachel has been written out of the picture. Hope made a line up of X-Men because she has a very different power set from Jean. Rachel and Maddie are knockoffs, in an universe full of telepaths/telekinetics. When is why they decided to use the demonic Secret Wars Goblin Queen who at least has her demonic powers to distinguish her from Jean. Of course, 616 Maddie had a connection to the Phoenix, but anyone who has had a connection to the Phoenix had it removed as future Phoenix storylines are reserved for Jean Grey (X-Men Dark Phoenix coming out).
    Dennis Hopeless is gone as is the teen O5 so that SW Maddie is most likely gone never to be seen as well. She has no relevancy to the characters around, whereas OG Maddie does

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Dennis Hopeless is gone as is the teen O5 so that SW Maddie is most likely gone never to be seen as well. She has no relevancy to the characters around, whereas OG Maddie does
    OG Maddie had so little relevancy the X-Men books never acknowledged her return. She was just a supporting character in X-Man, and occasionally Cable. She was killed off around the 12, and has only appeared in two Sisterhood stories since (like twice in 18 years). Not really a relevant character.

    Bunn used the SW Maddie after Hopeless used her.

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