Madelyne Pryor: Red Queen Appreciation 2018

[Anodyne]

Like the Maddie love but don't agree with the reasoning. Beast's on his own path to do with his own issues. Don't think Scott's as relevant to his reasoning as McCoy thinks he is - the guy's just transference for Beast's nervous breakdown. I just hope they don't turn him bad or kill him. Maddie going bad was nothing to do with Scott and everything to do with Jean. If Marvel had been happy to let Jean stay dead then the abandonment plot would never have been written in in the first place. She had to go bad to contrast with Jean who was the one who got whitewashed when they stopped her being Dark Phoenix. Must be a limit on how many powerful redheads are allowed in the 616 on the side the angels. Maddie and Scott and their marriage got thrown under the bus so Jean Grey could come back a hero and have Scott as her good conduct prize and as they couldn't have Jean being a homewrecker they made Maddie carry the can.

I may have missed some aspects of the Beast/Cyclops situation, but cynical me says the PTB would deal harshly with anyone but Wolverine who implied Scott was doing anything wrong.

You have a good point about the wish to whitewash Jean being the real reason they trashed Maddie, but Scott was still the one who walked out on his wife and child.

It's not really fair to say that Maddie was ruined by Jean coming back. At the beginning she was intended as nothing more than a complete cipher, a consolation Jean for Scott to bed and live happily ever after with in comic book limbo. The irony is that the story meant to write her out turned her from a mostly forgettable character into the centerpiece of one of the defining moments of X-Men lore, and probably the single most tragic figure of the whole lot. It's perhaps emblematic of the comic book industry that they came up with such an emotionally riveting story entirely by accident, yet fail miserably whenever they try to do it on purpose.

Even if Madelyne was intended as a consolation prize of Scott, Claremont wrote her as much more than a cipher. she was a strong, intelligent, self-reliant woman. For example, take Alpha Flight: The Gift. A storm is coming; Scott has left the plane to search for Rachel. Some of the passengers ask if they should join the search. Madelyne's reply: "No! No one else leaves the plane! We'll wait as long as we can, but I won't--I can't--sacrifice your lives--even for my husband!" This is not a cipher speaking, but a woman with the moral courage to place her responsibility for others' safety above her own happiness.

I really like Maddie as a villain. While she probably was turned into a villain to make Scott seem like less of a douchebag I think in story there's a good reasoning for her becoming a villain since first she lost her husband to his ex returned to life, then she lost her son and on top of that she found out that everything about her life was a lie and that she was just a clone of the woman her husband dumped her for. So that crushed her and then demons manipulated her until she broke and went insane. It makes her a sort of tragic villain even if she is "evil". And now they could depict her as loathing X-Men and Jean and Scott especially along with Sinister for the fact that her life is what it is. Or she could screw with anyone and everyone because she doesn't care about anything. Though her possibly having motherly feelings towards Cable and caring for him as her son could be interesting.

It's understandable why Madelyne went wrong under the circumstances, but making her try to kill her own baby went too far. Would it really have ruined Scott and Jean's chance for happiness if the danger to her son had jolted Maddie back to sanity, and she'd sacrificed her life to save him?

As for her loathing all the X-Men, she may have felt betrayed by them at the time; but I wish Marvel would let her get over it. Instead of being their latest villain, she could be grateful to them for stopping her Goblin Queen personality from harming her baby.

The way she's depicted probably would depend on what appearances writers consider to have been real Maddie. Like has this real Maddie been dead ever since Inferno and Maddies that worked with X-Man and Sisterhood were both impostors or was it really her in both of those cases. And now that she's back it could be nice if they'd explore more how Cyke was a dick when he left his wife (and son) for his ex and that we might see other characters sympathizing with Maddie because of that. But if they don't I'm okay with that as well.

I'm not. Now that Cyke's shown his darker side, I keep hoping that some of the X-Men will show more sympathy for the wife he wronged.

I agree. I love Maddie in the beggining, being the wife, then the mother, a strong woman and then suddenly left alone. How I hate(d) Scott. She gave birth to their child alone, at home, and almost died. Where was her husband? And then he didn't have the guts to stay at her side. Just up and left. She went through so much. She might have hated the X-Men from the beginning but she stayed with them, even through the Fall of Mutants. I liked her and Alex, and I certainly loved her in Mutant X. She's been through so much. And she deserves a good storyline, not just being the shadow of herself. We'll see if it's explored.

I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath. And I liked Mutant X too, because it said Madelyne bargained with demons to save her son. Becoming the Goblin Queen was the price she paid for his--and the world's --safety.

I feel the best way for Maddie would be confronting Scott. She doesn't have to put her life on hold either. Furthermore I don't think Madelyn will ever go back to such a simple life. A novel idea, but unlikely.

By "simple life" I assume you mean flying planes. You're probably right; but even if she doesn't become a professional pilot again, where does it say that she can't take up flying as a hobby?

The women who til this day hasn't been given any justice.

And that, for me, is the bottom line. Vilifying one person to vindicate another is unjust. And I hate injustice in real life and in fiction.

[Valeficent]

I will not condone the lesser versions of Maddie, only the original is dear in my heart

[Darkgreed]

It would be nice to have a family get together.
Cable and Nate talking to their mother
Madelyne talking to Emma about being with Scott and Alex
Madelyne, Rachel and hope talking about the Phoenix
They can do a lot with this

[vitamin]

[Anodyne]

Even demon-babies need cuddling.

[Daymare]

She was a tragic figure. Clone or not she was truly mistreated by Scott (and I am a fan of him, not a Cyclops hater). Reading the back issues, especially X-factor, he really came off as a douche and I can see him truly adding, if not sparking her descent.
As a villian, she has TRUE motivation.

[Enigmatic Undead]

[niconico00]

Do you guys have any scan of Madelyne Pryor's recent appearence in X-Men?

[Enigmatic Undead]

[Darth Phoenix]

I want Maddie to team up with N'astirh as the hellfire clubs red queen and try to claim Limbo from Magic.

[PwrdOn]

If Marvel does reboot the X-Men I'd like to see Maddie written as just being Jean's twin sister rather than the weird clone or uncanny duplicate origin. She'd be the more level headed and responsible of the pair and be protective yet a bit envious of her lively and outgoing sibling. Perhaps she could be an innocent bystander in some battle and fall into a coma, triggering Jean's powers in the process giving an opening to introduce Sinister and wake up only to find that Jean has taken over her entire life and unleashing all that pent up anger. Although she wouldn't die this time around and eventually reconcile with her sister, settling into the matronly team mom role handling support duties for the X-Men.

[juan678]

fred benes

[nx01a]

I still say she needs to become Red Queen of the Hellfire Club with Emma back as its White Queen. Oh! The trolling of Jean and Scott!

[ROSA13]

I may have missed some aspects of the Beast/Cyclops situation, but cynical me says the PTB would deal harshly with anyone but Wolverine who implied Scott was doing anything wrong.

You have a good point about the wish to whitewash Jean being the real reason they trashed Maddie, but Scott was still the one who walked out on his wife and child.

Even if Madelyne was intended as a consolation prize of Scott, Claremont wrote her as much more than a cipher. she was a strong, intelligent, self-reliant woman. For example, take Alpha Flight: The Gift. A storm is coming; Scott has left the plane to search for Rachel. Some of the passengers ask if they should join the search. Madelyne's reply: "No! No one else leaves the plane! We'll wait as long as we can, but I won't--I can't--sacrifice your lives--even for my husband!" This is not a cipher speaking, but a woman with the moral courage to place her responsibility for others' safety above her own happiness.

It's understandable why Madelyne went wrong under the circumstances, but making her try to kill her own baby went too far. Would it really have ruined Scott and Jean's chance for happiness if the danger to her son had jolted Maddie back to sanity, and she'd sacrificed her life to save him?

As for her loathing all the X-Men, she may have felt betrayed by them at the time; but I wish Marvel would let her get over it. Instead of being their latest villain, she could be grateful to them for stopping her Goblin Queen personality from harming her baby.

I'm not. Now that Cyke's shown his darker side, I keep hoping that some of the X-Men will show more sympathy for the wife he wronged.

I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath. And I liked Mutant X too, because it said Madelyne bargained with demons to save her son. Becoming the Goblin Queen was the price she paid for his--and the world's --safety.

By "simple life" I assume you mean flying planes. You're probably right; but even if she doesn't become a professional pilot again, where does it say that she can't take up flying as a hobby?

And that, for me, is the bottom line. Vilifying one person to vindicate another is unjust. And I hate injustice in real life and in fiction.

That was explained as being due to Sinister's brainwashing. they say it immediately after the battle where he defeats Sinister. One of the other X-Men gives a line along the lines of "I knew you'd never do something like that if not for brainwashing!" Maddie has subsequently stated numerous times that she never loved him, their entire relationship was a combination of programming and Maddie manipulating him with her psychic abilities without his knowledge. That's all a retcon, but it's the explanation they gave.

From that perspective, his actions make perfect sense. You wake up essentially a rape victim forced into a relationship you never wanted.
. X-Factor 39, after a series of flashbacks show Mr. Sinister manipulating Cyclops's mind from childhood, Angel bursts out and says this:

[ROSA13]

SO wish that the writers would touch back on this point so that the majority of haters can stop trying to use Maddie as an excuse! It's gotten so friggin old and it's ridiculous. I mean seriously, Nathan has long since forgiven him as well as Jean so I'm not surprised that it was manipulation on someone else's part. So for people to say that he needs to take responsibility for his actions during that I event is moot because there are NO responsibilities to take.