Supergirl is stealing Brainiac from Superman???

[SiegePerilous02]

Studios will choose casuals over hardcore fans every single time. If they can please both (which is nigh impossible), great, but the former will be of more priority.

When it comes to Superman, WB hasn't pleased the casuals either or else the movie version would have been more embraced and actually be continuing. They have to earn back everyone's trust with the brand, and there is no guarantee they will do right by Kara either. Casual audiences will go see Supergirl and not care about the use of Brainiac if the movie is good, but if WB is seriously planning to replace Clark with Kara completely and not show the two cousins interacting, even the casuals are gonna feel serious gypped and regard it as the transparent shitty story telling that it is. If the films don't care enough about the familial connection to show the characters interacting, why should the audience?

I hear Kara also steals Clark's weakness to Kryptonite, his powers, his blue and red motif, and the "S" on his chest too!

Yes, it's almost as if...she's a spin-off character made two decades after the main character to appeal to a female audience, and not an individual property herself and rides on the association with him to launch to success! Complete with her own gender swapped versions of Lana Lang and Lori Lemaris.

The absolute nerve that his first cousin (whom he often treats as a younger sister) that shares much of his history and has an actual history on Krypton, use some of the villains that have targeted her before as well!

Honestly, I just see this as much ado about nothing.

It seems more like a big deal to Superman fans in the current era of superhero movies that the most they get is one very divisive and flawed solo movie in which he isn't even a fully formed Superman and rehashes his origin yet again, a sequel with all his screen time cut that was hijacked by Batman and barely interacts with his arch nemesis, and 10 minutes with CGI lips in the godawful JL, and are now not getting anything else. On top of the earlier lack luster franchise launcher Superman Returns. And now rumors are framing this as WB not even needing him anymore and giving everything to Kara, while being more prepared to give Batman yet another shot after DCEU Bats wasn't any more well received and he already had the Nolan trilogy.

Meanwhile, Captain America gets a trilogy to himself as the lead and many successful co-lead roles in team up movies, and even if he's bowing out soon he was VERY well received and they can carry on with his own properly set up and popular spin off character, Bucky. And Steve and Bucky actually got to interact on screen to get people to give a crap, while Clark and Kara may not get the same treatment.

[marhawkman]

When you have a built in audience ready to see a film and you choose to do something to anger a portion of them when it doesn't need to happen and you can choose another villain well IMO

This situation is like the old Aesop fable about how no matter what you do someone will tell you you're doing it wrong. Re-tell a classic story and get attacked for lacking imagination. Tell a new story and get #notmySupergirl... and so on and so forth...

[Jokerz79]

I hear Kara also steals Clark's weakness to Kryptonite, his powers, his blue and red motif, and the "S" on his chest too! The absolute nerve that his first cousin (whom he often treats as a younger sister) that shares much of his history and has an actual history on Krypton, use some of the villains that have targeted her before as well!

Honestly, I just see this as much ado about nothing.

This is like if the first time Dr. Octopus appeared on the big screen was in Venom. If it was Metallo, Prankster, Toy-Man, Parasite, or anyone else I'd have no issue but Brainiac is Superman's number two villain behind Lex and the first time he appears on screen should be a Superman film not Supergirl, not Superboy, not Steel, but Superman.

[SiegePerilous02]

This situation is like the old Aesop fable about how no matter what you do someone will tell you you're doing it wrong. Re-tell a classic story and get attacked for lacking imagination. Tell a new story and get #notmySupergirl... and so on and so forth...

Except outside of Wonder Woman, everyone from fans and casuals alike are telling them that they are doing it wrong lol. Four out of five films not being well regarded critically and not having the best box office legs and a damaged brand as a result doesn't leave much room for interpretation. If everyone is telling them they are doing it wrong, then they are doing it wrong.

Until WW84, Aquaman and Shazam prove to be good films, it's not difficult to see why the cinematic brand isn't trusted.

[Agent Z]

When it comes to Superman, WB hasn't pleased the casuals either or else the movie version would have been more embraced and actually be continuing. They have to earn back everyone's trust with the brand, and there is no guarantee they will do right by Kara either. Casual audiences will go see Supergirl and not care about the use of Brainiac if the movie is good, but if WB is seriously planning to replace Clark with Kara completely and not show the two cousins interacting, even the casuals are gonna feel serious gypped and regard it as the transparent shitty story telling that it is.

But why are you so sure of this? You said so yourself that casuals will be more bothered by the quality of the film itself than any connection to Superman or lack thereof. If that is the case, should it matter that sheÂ’s using Brainiac? Assuming of course this even happens.

[SiegePerilous02]

But why are you so sure of this? You said so yourself that casuals will be more bothered by the quality of the film itself than any connection to Superman or lack thereof. If that is the case, should it matter that sheÂ’s using Brainiac? Assuming of course this even happens.

Which thing, the Brainiac thing or the cousins interacting thing? Because I don't think they will care that much about the former, but the latter is something that needs to be addressed. If not in her first film, then somewhere down the line. They are both very important to each other's lives, but writing it off as an off-screen event because they cannot get an actor to play Superman or whatever is cheap story telling.

The GA isn't stupid, they are gonna see the man behind the curtain. And we all know they are not going to be using any other Supergirl except Kara, and Clark is very important to her story. And if other franchises get to have all their characters interacting with each other, why should Super fans just settle for less? Assuming all of this pans out a certain way.

[Agent Z]

Which thing, the Brainiac thing or the cousins interacting thing? Because I don't think they will care that much about the former, but the latter is something that needs to be addressed. If not in her first film, then somewhere down the line. They are both very important to each other's lives, but writing it off as an off-screen event because they cannot get an actor to play Superman or whatever is cheap story telling.

The GA isn't stupid, they are gonna see the man behind the curtain. And we all know they are not going to be using any other Supergirl except Kara, and Clark is very important to her story. And if other franchises get to have all their characters interacting with each other, why should Super fans just settle for less? Assuming all of this pans out a certain way.

The GA isn't stupid. They're just not as passionate about these things as we are. They'll go to see a movie because they think they'll have a good time and that't it.

[Jokerz79]

The GA isn't stupid. They're just not as passionate about these things as we are. They'll go to see a movie because they think they'll have a good time and that't it.

Casuals are going to ask where is Superman even the Supergirl tv series couldn't escape that.

[Agent Z]

Casuals are going to ask where is Superman even the Supergirl tv series couldn't escape that.

Didn't stop them from enjoying the show.

[SiegePerilous02]

Didn't stop them from enjoying the show.

TV shows and movies are obviously different though. They had to do the meeting on screen at some point, but with multiple episodes a season and multiple seasons, they didn't have to do it right away. A movie is only one largely self contained 2 hour or so block of entertainment and there at least a couple years between installments. It needs to make its point.

The GA won't care because of the source material, but if they market Kara as a relative to Superman and set up the story about the young girl whose entire family and most of her species got wiped out, the strong emotional payoff is that she finds her cousin who can help her acclimate to her new home. Relegating that to an off screen meeting or Kara having some one sided phone conversation with him is going to scream cheap and lazy. In a world where Iron-Man pops up in movies to interact with characters he has nothing to do with, there is no excuse to not have characters who are actually important to each other not visibly interact on screen.

[Jackalope89]

Casuals are going to ask where is Superman even the Supergirl tv series couldn't escape that.

The intro to Supergirl itself established Superman existed. So, it was merely a matter of time anyway.

[Jim Kelly]

Season 1 episode 1 of SUPERGIRL showed Kal-El/Superman right off the bat--



Sure we didn't exactly get to see his face as an adult, but he was clearly established in costume and involved with Kara's origin story. Subsequently, there were plenty of times where Kara communicated with Clark and he was talked about on the show, before he appeared in episode 1 of season 2, played by Tyler Hoechlin.

I wonder if a SUPERGIRL movie will give us even this much.

[stargazer01]

Again, they need to please as much of the audience as feasibly possible, casuals and diehards alike. That's how these movies manage to be successful. There are any number of things they can do with a Supergirl movie, she has her own villains and the MCU has managed to do more with less. If the film is good and if Supergirl is as much of a draw as we think she is, they don't need Brainiac. They shouldn't scrap the idea for fear of upsetting fanboys, but they shouldn't underestimate how bad a fandom split could hurt them either when they already have the Superman fanbase pissed off at them enough as it is. Dragging Supergirl into this in such a way isn't fair to her either.



A part of me wonders if they chose Brainiac specifically to give to Supergirl because they know the fandom wants him in a new Superman movie, and Cavill was campaigning for him too. It is most likely paranoia on my part, but it seems kind of...spiteful on their end.
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It really does... I see I'm not the only one thinking this. It's WB giving us the finger to show they can do whatever they want..

Casuals are going to ask where is Superman even the Supergirl tv series couldn't escape that.

TV shows and movies are obviously different though. They had to do the meeting on screen at some point, but with multiple episodes a season and multiple seasons, they didn't have to do it right away. A movie is only one largely self contained 2 hour or so block of entertainment and there at least a couple years between installments. It needs to make its point.

The GA won't care because of the source material, but if they market Kara as a relative to Superman and set up the story about the young girl whose entire family and most of her species got wiped out, the strong emotional payoff is that she finds her cousin who can help her acclimate to her new home. Relegating that to an off screen meeting or Kara having some one sided phone conversation with him is going to scream cheap and lazy. In a world where Iron-Man pops up in movies to interact with characters he has nothing to do with, there is no excuse to not have characters who are actually important to each other not visibly interact on screen.

Season 1 episode 1 of SUPERGIRL showed Kal-El/Superman right off the bat--



Sure we didn't exactly get to see his face as an adult, but he was clearly established in costume and involved with Kara's origin story. Subsequently, there were plenty of times where Kara communicated with Clark and he was talked about on the show, before he appeared in episode 1 of season 2, played by Tyler Hoechlin.

I wonder if a SUPERGIRL movie will give us even this much.

SO MUCH LOGIC here. But this is WB so anything is possible... :I

[Jokerz79]

Didn't stop them from enjoying the show.

Well technically it was cancelled until moved to CW and who was in episode one of season 2 on CW? I'll give you a hint he wore glasses.

[Flashback]

The GA won't care because of the source material, but if they market Kara as a relative to Superman and set up the story about the young girl whose entire family and most of her species got wiped out, the strong emotional payoff is that she finds her cousin who can help her acclimate to her new home. Relegating that to an off screen meeting or Kara having some one sided phone conversation with him is going to scream cheap and lazy.

From the rumors, the movie is set in the past so I think she's the one who gets to earth first instead of Kal-el, so the emotional payoff is not her cousin helping her acclimating to her new home, but her lost in this new world and her finally finding her place/purpose within it.